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US now has most COVID-19 deaths, surpassing Italy (ETA: more than Italy per capita)

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by essentialsaltes, Apr 11, 2020.

  1. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    US has the most coronavirus-related deaths in the world

    From CNN's Chuck Johnston

    The United States surpassed Italy on Saturday morning with the most reported deaths of any nation.

    The United States is now reporting at least 18,860 coronavirus deaths, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University.

    Italy is reporting 18,849 coronavirus deaths, according to the university.

    On March 26, the US had the most cases. Don't goad the Americans, or this thread may also get shut down.

    ETA 4/24: Two weeks later, the US has reached 50,000 deaths, almost twice the toll in Italy.

    ETA 5/19: 4ish weeks later, the US has reached 90,000 deaths, about three times the toll in Italy.

    ETA 6/18: a month later, the US has reached 120,000 deaths, approaching four times the toll in Italy. The US has had 2.2 million cases, about 10 times the number Italy has had.

    ETA 7/19: a month later, the US has reached ~150,000 deaths, approaching 5 times the toll in Italy. The US has had 4.5 million cases, about 20 times the number Italy had. Per Worldometer, the US death rate per capita has surpassed France. The US is now #8 in deaths per capita. It has 'slipped' lower in the ranking due to Peru and Chile leaping up, but Sweden and Italy are both relatively stalled, so the increasing US rate will slowly catch up.

    ETA 9/3: a month and a half later, the US has reached ~190,000 deaths. Per Worldometer, the US death rate per capita has surpassed Sweden. The US is again #8, as Brazil has jumped above us. The US will surpass Italy in a few days.

    ETA 9/9: Per Worldometer, the US death rate per capita has surpassed Italy. US at #9 per capita (other Latin American countries also having passed us in the meanwhile)

    [The US population is about 5.5 times as large as Italy's.]
     
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  2. Jonathan Walkerin

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    To be fair US has far larger population.

    Let’s pray US doesn’t get the same % of population dying to Covid19 as Italy.
     
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  3. blackribbon

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    60 million people in Italy. 300 million people in US.

    A lot of deaths in both countries but larger percentage of the population in Italy.

    However, none of the numbers is indicating that we will hit the 100s of thousand deaths so many have predicted. Death curve is increasing because it lags behind new cases but new cases curve is declining.
     
  4. SaintCody777

    SaintCody777 The young, curious Berean

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    The "official" death toll in Mainland China is given by the CCP. The real death toll from COVID-19 in China may be at least 21 million. It might be unbelievably high in just a few months. But the CCP government have been burning bodies to hide evidence.
    Coronavirus: Exiled Billionaire Says China Is Burning 1,200 Bodies a Day
    21 million fewer cellphone users in China may reveal true death toll - Metro Voice News
    so in the end, the US has the 2nd highest COVID-19 cases in the world, only topped by Mainland China.
     
  5. loveofourlord

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    BUT if you only focus on new york where 50% of the deaths and 20% of the cases are, the us has 100 more per capita then italy.
     
  6. Monna

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    As a matter of interest, are there stats for the number of asymptomatic cases? Is the US doing widespread testing or only testing of people reporting symptoms?
    When you say that the new cases curve is declining, don't you mean that the percentage increase is declining... the numbers of new cases that I have from JHU are 452582, 475749, 503594 for the 9th, 10th and 11th, meaning increases of 23167 and 27845 for the 10th and 11th respectively. (Number checking around the world means that your figures for those dates may be different from mine as I am six hours ahead of NY, apart from the expected lag inbuilt in the systems on recording deaths).
     
  7. 46AND2

    46AND2 Forty six and two are just ahead of me...

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    You'd have to burn a heck of a lot more bodies than 1200 per day to get to 21 million in 4 months.
     
  8. blackribbon

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    Did you read to the end of your article? The death toll may be high but it won't be anywhere near 21 million. Chances are that the government has turned off a lot of those phones to keep info from getting out of China. The truth is that they stopped testing people so we will never know how many deaths are related to Covid-19. That is what happens in a socialist/communist government...the government controls everything, even access to the rest of the world.

    (do you know how many days it would take to incinerate 1200 people a day to get to 21 million?)
     
  9. ReesePiece23

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    The saddest thing in all of this, for me, has to be the die hard obsession these papers have for percentages. I find it troubling that your grandmother has been reduced to nothing more than a number on a spreadsheet, I really do.

    It's unavoidable, but still isn't any less stomach churning.
     
  10. blackribbon

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    My numbers are for several states...but Michigan in particular, a hot spot. However, the rapid test is now available so a small blip up is only reflecting we are getting a positive diagnoses faster, instead of days after admission.

    And the people who are not reporting symptoms are not really a problem, are they? T
     
  11. loveofourlord

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    I hate using your grandmother *assuming she died from covid19* and others as figures, but really seems to be only way to prevent more deaths...don't get those using it to try to downplay the deaths. there is that old saying I still love, "Hope for the best, plan for the worst."
     
  12. dzheremi

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    17,500 -- or approximately 48 years (17,500 / 365 = 47.94...)
     
  13. blackribbon

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    I am following my state's figures...Michigan, a hot spot. We now have the rapid test so the small increase is only showing that people are getting positive diagnoses upon admission to the hospital and not days later.

    When we get the antibody test, we will watch the mortality rate decrease tremendously if enough people can be tested to determine who had the virus and didn't.

    All that doesn't take away from the tragedy of the people who have died and those who have lost family members and friends to this awful virus. I am seeing it take a mental toll on co-workers. Way too many are not in specialties that see death on a regular basis. Watching multiple people die who we have built a relationship with is hard on a person's soul. We are the only support system they have since no visitors are allowed in any hospitals. We have to talk to grieving family members on the phone. I had a mid 20 year old patient who had two uncles and an aunt die related to this virus. It had to have him scared to death....and his blood pressure showed it (and was an additional worry for those of us taking care of him). Each death and "new case" has a name and a family. I am glad to see our numbers of new cases going down...even as our rooms are still full, our ventilators maxing out, and our morgue hitting "full" every day.
     
  14. blackribbon

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    Here is an article saying that NYC curve of new cases is flattening (which means getting close to the peak).

    New York Has Most COVID-19 Cases in World, Deaths Top 7k as Curve Starts to Flatten

    I have a hard time finding what I want on JHU site.
     
  15. essentialsaltes

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    “A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.”
     
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    About 120 death workers and US soldiers work around the clock to pick up as many as 280 bodies a day from New York City homes, according to The New York Times.

    While many of these people likely died of the coronavirus, their deaths are probably not counted in the official death toll, The Times' Ali Watkins and William Rashbaum reported on Friday.

    New York City and the state count their deaths differently. The state tally is based on hospital data, which includes people who tested positive for the virus and died in the facilities, The Times reported.



    Teams are retrieving up to 280 bodies a day from NYC homes. Not all of them are counted in the official death tally.
     
  18. ZNP

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    CALI, Colombia—Images coming out of Guayaquil, a port city on Ecuador’s Pacific coast, are as grim as anything the world has seen since the COVID-19 pandemic began.

    As the death toll has overwhelmed hospitals and morgues, bodies have been abandoned in the streets or left to decay in houses, cargo trailers, and parking lots. The smell of the exposed corpses sticks like bile in the throat, and flocks of vultures wheel above the city waiting their chance to feed on human carrion.

    Cemeteries are far beyond capacity, so some of the dead are now buried in unmarked graves in outlying fields. Other cadavers are secreted out of the city by loved ones, disguised as sleeping passengers to slip through military checkpoints trying to stop the spread of the contagion.



    Bodies Rotting in the Street: COVID-19 Chaos Grips Ecuador
     
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  19. Monna

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    Two reasons why they could be.
    1. they may still be able to pass on the virus - without being aware of it.
    2. in statistical terms it affects the mortality level - the more people who have or have had the disease the lower the mortality rate of the pandemic.
     
  20. sfs

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    There are some estimates for the number of asymptomatic cases, but they're not rock-solid. Based on extensive testing in Iceland and on the cruise ship Diamond Princess, the asymptomatic rate seems to be around 50%. That's the rate of those who have an infection that can be detected when they're tested. There's always the possibility that there are others who had low or transient viral loads and didn't test positive. On the other hand, it's not clear that everyone who is infected develops immunity.
    It varies with time and place. Almost everywhere it's only symptomatic people, and in some places (like New York city recently), it's only people sick enough to be hospitalized. So we are undoubtedly badly underreporting the actual number of cases.

    ETA: serological testing -- testing to see who has developed antibodies to this virus -- should give a clearer picture of the actual extent of infection. It's ramping up in may areas now.
     
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