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US gun laws – particularly with “open carry”

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by Biblicist, Aug 4, 2014.

  1. Frogster

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    but the frog is lawful Texas says ok for the frog to carry, and use lethal force, is that all you got is a typo?

    Ok, so "kings kids" god does not allow to get sick, but they can be murdered?:doh:
     
  2. probinson

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    For someone who claims to "know text", you sure are having a hard time providing a single directive scripture to support your position.

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  3. Frogster

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    oh..you kept talking about the "word of God'. now you seem to not think examples can be?

    now..high time you settle up, why is it that you do not think God allows illness, but he does allow rape?:confused:
     
  4. probinson

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    Everything contained in the Bible is the Word of God. Not everything contained in the Bible is directive.

    Now you said you knew what a directive scripture was. I am looking for just one directive scripture to support your position. Are you conceding that no such directive scripture exists?

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  5. Frogster

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    "Kings kids" are not allowed by God to be ill, but they can get killed or raped????
    Personally, I would rather be ill!:D^_^
     
  6. Frogster

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    John 13:15
    For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.
    John 13:14-16 (in Context) John 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    Romans 15:1
    [ The Example of Christ ] We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
    Romans 15:1-3 (in Context) Romans 15 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    1 Corinthians 10:6
    Now these things took place as examples for us, that we might not desire evil as they did.
    1 Corinthians 10:5-7 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 10 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    1 Corinthians 10:11
    Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.
    1 Corinthians 10:10-12 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 10 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    Galatians 3:15
    [ The Law and the Promise ] To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified.
    Galatians 3:14-16 (in Context) Galatians 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    Galatians 4:21
    [ Example of Hagar and Sarah ] Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?
    Galatians 4:20-22 (in Context) Galatians 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    Philippians 2:1
    [ Christ's Example of Humility ] So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy,
    Philippians 2:1-3 (in Context) Philippians 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    Philippians 3:17
    Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us.
    Philippians 3:16-18 (in Context) Philippians 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    1 Thessalonians 1:2
    [ The Thessalonians' Faith and Example ] We give thanks to God always for all of you, constantly mentioning you in our prayers,

    1 Thessalonians 1:7
    so that you became an example to all the believers in Macedonia and in Achaia.

    2 Thessalonians 3:9
    It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate.

    1 Timothy 1:16
    But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.
    1 Timothy 1:15-17 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    1 Timothy 4:12
    Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.
    1 Timothy 4:11-13 (in Context) 1 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    James 5:10
    As an example of suffering and patience, brothers, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.
    James 5:9-11 (in Context) James 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    1 Peter 2:21
    For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.
    1 Peter 2:20-22 (in Context) 1 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    1 Peter 5:3
    not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock.
    1 Peter 5:2-4 (in Context) 1 Peter 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    2 Peter 2:6
    if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
    2 Peter 2:5-7 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
    Jude 1:7
    just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
    Jude 1:6-8 (in Context) Jude 1 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
     
  7. Frogster

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    So, as we progress, the big unanswerd question looms....:cool:

    why is it God does not allow illness, but allows rape?
     
  8. StephanieSomer

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    Actually, no. Christ was right. He did NOT say that those who take a weapon and use it will eventually die by that weapon. If you check the tense, He was saying that those who LIVE by the sword will die by it. That's quite different from having a sword and using it to defend one's life or the life of another. You are reading it as though He said the former. He did not.
     
  9. StephanieSomer

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    I guess you just hit quote and didn't bother to read all of it. Because you just quoted my explanation of that.
     
  10. probinson

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    With regards to God "allowing" something to happen...

    The word "allow" carries with it the connotation of permission being granted for a specific purpose. For example, if my son asks me if he is "allowed" to go to the park, he is asking me to grant specific permission for him to do something. With that in mind, I don't believe that God explicitly "allows" one to be sick, or to be killed or raped.

    However, we live in a fallen world. I believe that God "allows" pretty much everything by default. IOW, when someone is raped or killed or has a terminal illness, these are all things that are "allowed" within the parameters God has defined and set in motion. I don't believe that God explicitly grants permission for these individual things to occur, but I do believe that they are "allowed" by default because of the fallen state of the world we live in.

    I also believe that God can intervene in the natural order of things. When we're sick, He can heal us. When we're threatened, He can protect us.

    Additionally, I believe that God works all things together for good for those who are called according to His purpose.

    Lastly, the game is fixed; We win. Even if an attacker or an illness claims our natural life, we have the assurance of an eternity spent with Him.

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  11. probinson

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    Awesome. You've proved that you can use an online Bible tool to search for the word "example". Well done.

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  12. probinson

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    Well that's a relief. :p

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  13. probinson

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    No, I read your whole post. You seem to be saying because something is "complicated" (although I'm not sure in what way requiring someone to pass a background check is "complicated") that it is also necessarily "limiting". I disagree.

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  14. probinson

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    What exactly would you say is the difference between LIVING by the sword and using the sword to defend your life?

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  15. StephanieSomer

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    You're missing the point. Whether or not I, or anyone, agrees or disagrees with said amendment makes no difference. The point is it MUST be done through that procedure to be legal. Whether or not I'd agree with such an amendment, I would still recognize that amendment as the law of the land IF it were passed and approved by the necessary number of states to be fully enacted and enforced.

    Not a single time have I disagreed with any of the goals for which you are arguing over. Everything I've been saying has to do with procedure. When the procedure to make laws is according to Constitutional parameters, it is legal. When it is not according to Constitutional parameters, it is illegal. The "common sense" that you keep touting about is irrelevant as far as the correct procedure is followed.

    What I am arguing against in reality has nothing to do with guns. I'm arguing that when correct procedure in the modification of our laws is abandoned, then the Constitution loses it's force. And in so doing, our liberties in every other issue are diminished; eventually, denied.
     
  16. StephanieSomer

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    Many would respond that proper gun control is hitting what you aimed at.
     
  17. probinson

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    Fair enough.

    So I'll ask you the same question, amended slightly; If correct procedure were followed, would you personally support the creation of an additional Constitutional amendment to require background checks or other "gun control" measures before one could purchase a firearm?

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  18. StephanieSomer

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    Everything you just said is a roundabout way of denying the Sovereignty of God and making events purely happenstance and the roll of the dice.
     
  19. StephanieSomer

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    I already answered that. If correct procedure was followed, I'd recognize it as the law of the land and abide by and defend it.
     
  20. probinson

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    Not at all. It simply recognizes that in His Sovereignty, God has given us all a choice. Those choices affect us and others. For example, if someone chooses to murder another person, that choice will affect the murderer, the police, the judge, jury and lawyers assigned to the case, the victim and the friends and family of the victim, just to name a few. That in no way indicates that God "permitted" the murder to occur. It means that our choices that God has granted to us in His Sovereignty have far reaching consequences.

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