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US declares Jerusalem Capital of Israel -- what will happen next?

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Open Heart, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:43 AM.

  1. Open Heart

    Open Heart Messianic Jewish Catholic

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    Will Hamas start a new intifada?
    Will Muslim states declare war?
    How will angry US allies respond?
    Will anyone follow suit?
    Will it REALLY stop peace talks, or will folks simply adjust?

    In my own humble opinion, I think there is a lot of anger that will blow over with time. It will not really effect peace negotiations or alliances with the Saudis or anyone else, given time. And it is long, long, long overdue. All it really did was recognize reality. The quintessential elephant in the room.
     
  2. joinfree

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    One can go to shop and by: 1) matches, 2) salt, 3) iod, 4) vitamin C, 5) radio set with autonom power source.
     
  3. Monksailor

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    It is about time one of our presidents recognizes another country's decision to relocate its capital. How long has it been? Over 20 yrs? We finally have a president who respects another major country's leadership. If other countries have a problem with us merely respecting a country's jurisdiction and relocating along with them so as to more effectively and efficiently handle embassy affairs then they are the EVIL ones not us.
     
  4. Norbert L

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    I agree and would add, have you seen what's happening in Saudi Arabia lately? This is also like asking the question what will happen next? In my view the two are related to an extent, they both are about how world history changes at a snail's pace. The initial move to build an embassy there had been started in 1995. Trump waives law requiring US to move embassy to Jerusalem


    When definitive changing points do occur, when intentions turn to concrete action they are comparable to when a nation draws a line in the sand. That too happened when the absolute monarchy of Saudi Arabia imprisoned many of it's own royal family. In the foreseeable future, whose side are they on?

    The way I see it people didn't pay any substantial attention to what Defense Secretary James Mattis said during his confirmation hearings prior to acquiring that position. That the USA had friends in the middle east that were committed to modernizing and creating a more moderate form of Islam. That such things don't happen overnight either.

    This is how history progresses, the foundations for their turning points were always there. What is also still there is the behavior of those opposed to these turning points and when looking back on that track record, the big thing that changes is they'll have a new reason to continue the same behavior they've been demonstrating since 1948. I believe they're not in a position to declare any war other than the one they are already pursuing at this moment. They had their 1948 and 1967, until other major changes take place in the whole world, all we'll see is more of the same.
     
  5. FireDragon76

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    I don't think this was wise at all, it will instigate more hatred against the United States and there's no clear interest for America in doing so. Tel Aviv has been widely recognized by the international community for some time. Jerusalem was seized through war. There needs to be more progress on the peace process before countries go redefining their borders.
     
  6. miamited

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    Hi OH,

    Well, of course we don't any of us know the future beyond what God has said of it, but...

    Just to consider some of your questions. There is obviously some anger among the players in the ME that are angry over this turn of events. I would certainly expect that a lot of other nations, that have had violence from ME players before, to step up their awareness and preparedness.

    I would not be surprised that some of the ME players who maintain cells of radical and violent groups against Israel and the U.S., would begin or increase violent attacks in retribution for this decision. There are a number of ME nations and groups within them who honestly have always desired nothing more than to wipe Israel off the face of the map and any ally should clearly understand that such relationship puts them in harms way also.

    As far as angry U.S. allies. I would hope that for them, they would join us in recognizing that Israel does have the right to establish it's own capitol city and stand with Israel in support of their decision which, as many have pointed out, is actually a decades old decision.

    However, there is a lot of hate in the ME directed towards Israel and up to this point everyone has desired to sidestep the issue for fear that such an agreement would only bring about more bloodshed. We'll see. This is actually the first decision that Donald Trump has made that I'm in agreement with, but I fully understand that there may be very hard consequences for announcing this recognition.

    Israel stands in a very difficult position. Very little land surrounded by some pretty powerful enemies.

    As far as any anger over this decision, given time, decreasing. That may be, but what's going to happen until that time comes? The nations of the ME have been fighting against Israel for a long, long time and such issues can be difficult to get over. Remember that it's a prophecy of the Scriptures that in the last days all the nations will rise up against Israel. So, I wouldn't expect it to ever completely blow over. It may wax and wane, but I don't think it will ever be fully resolved.

    I also look at these events in light of the prophetic Scriptures, and can envision this scenario actually being the beginning steps to the end that is prophesied. Of course, I fully understand that many generations have had similar thoughts regarding previous events in Israel's past, but it certainly merits close scrutiny by believers as the days unfold. Again, we'll see.

    There are things yet to happen, according to the Scriptures, before that day comes. Daniel wrote to us about a treaty or covenant that would come about. Just as he wrote about the declaration to restore and rebuild Jerusalem being the start of the countdown of weeks, he also wrote of some things happening that we should be watchful of as signs of the end times coming upon us.

    While I haven't actually seen any of these events happening yet, as I say, I can envision how this might quickly lead into the days of the end. Donald Trump, with his massive ego and narcissistic tendencies would be exactly the kind of person I can see creating some peace agreement and then 'standing on the wing of the temple declaring that he is God'. I mean, let's be serious here for a moment, he actually denigrated the father of one of the released men in China because he didn't think he was getting the proper acknowledgement for his work in freeing the man's son. He is a man who must, above all else, have his ego stroked. That's the kind of man, I believe, who will be standing on the wing of the temple.

    Now, before everyone jumps on my case for making these claims. I'm merely pointing out possibilities. As yet I have no more hard and fast evidence than those who came before proclaiming that they were living in the last days. But, I certainly believe that it's worth keeping an eye on.

    God bless,
    In Christ, ted
     
  7. miamited

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    Hi FD,

    You're right! Tel Aviv has been the recognized 'capitol' by other nations. But, Israel is a sovereign nation that is still believed by many to made up of the people of God and Jerusalem has always been the seat of power. We can go all the way back to Jesus' day, and Jerusalem was where the Roman procurate set up shop. It was where Jesus was taken to be tried, convicted and put to death.

    So, I believe that for Israel, Jerusalem has always been seen as their greatest city in terms of governance. I believe that most Israelites believe that it still should be.

    So, what we run up against here is generally recognized proper procedure. The foreign embassies of all nations have generally always been established in the capitol city of the nation in which they are built. So, why should Israel be any different?

    While Jerusalem may be a hotly contested piece of real estate, it is Israel's choice for their capitol city.

    God bless you,
    In Christ, ted
     
  8. FireDragon76

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    I'm a Christian and a Lutheran, the People of God reside at my church, and every church, when we gather together every Sunday to pray, worship, and memorialize our Lord and his Passion. They do not reside in a middle eastern country.
     
  9. miamited

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    Hi FD,

    I think you may be confusing God's claim as to who His people are and who His children are. God has proclaimed that the people of Israel are His people, and as far as I know, He has never rescinded that claim. Yes, He has made a new covenant through His Son for His children. But, He is also on record that there is still a promise to be fulfilled among His people, Israel.

    God bless you,
    In Christ, ted
     
  10. FireDragon76

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    I don't care about any divine promises except the promises of Christ.

    The state of Israel was established in 1948 with borders widely recognized by civilized nations- borders that did not include Jerusalem. The ancient nation of Judea was destroyed by the Romans. I do not see how it serves the cause of peace and justice to throw religious speculation into the mix, in a pluralistic world, if anything it is dangerous to do so.
     
  11. Yarddog

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    There was no real reason to do this and any violence will be on Trump's hands. Hopefully, it will blow over without deaths on all sides.
     
  12. Basil the Great

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    The PLO Executive Committee is to meet within days, according to an interview with chief negotiator Saeb Erekat. We should know something soon regarding the Palestinian response.
     
  13. he-man

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    Yes, we shall all see the ime when Christ returns with his mighty angels and Revelation 19:19-20
     
  14. followtheshepherd

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    Hello all,
    We are certainly living in interesting and scary times! And this topic is not one to be ignored.

    I encourage you all to take a look at the attached book 'King of the North'. It explores the prophecy of Daniel 11 and in light of what's happening with Israel today, and the anger this will cause Muslim Arabs, it's a vitally important prophecy.

    God bless your research and study
     

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  15. pat34lee

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    Congress recognized Jerusalem as the capital over
    20 years ago, but the last 3 Presidents have failed to
    move our embassy to match that recognition.
    Jerusalem Embassy Relocation Act (October 1995)
     
  16. Yarddog

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    Yep, Congress did it 20 years ago and there was no real reason for Trump to do anything now. Hopefully, his action doesn't get anyone killed or injured and they can get passed this.
     
  17. Yekcidmij

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    I doubt Daniel 11 has anything to do with current events. Seems to me to have something to do with Darius the Mede and a few kings that followed him. Seems vs 3 is talking about Alexander the Great. VS 4 is talking about the break up of Alexander's empire...

    This is what happens when people think modern Israel is coded in various biblical prophecies, when in fact they aren't. It leads people to sanction policies toward modern Israel and it's neighbors that are misguided and lead to real effects on other people - all in the because there is belief in some sort of eschatology predestination relating to current events. It's believed that these events must happen because it's in the bible.

    Daniel 11 doesn't have anything to do with current events.
     
  18. he-man

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    Sorry but you did not read Daniel 12:1; Daniel 12:8-9
     
  19. Open Heart

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    No reason to do this? How about that Jerusalem has been Israel's Capital for decades.
     
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