Urgent question

[dabro]

Ok, doctors nowadays don’t prescribe benzos, especially to former drug addicts.

I live in Oklahoma and my only option is to take Kratom. It takes my anxiety away and gives a slight mood increase.
It’s legal here is Oklahoma.

I really never considered it a sin, but I’m wondering is it???

I suffer many Mental health problems, been through a psychosis and obsessive thoughts. I was doing just fine in 08 until that spring I was hit with massive anxiety.

In 2010 I found a doc willing to help with klonopin. It helped immensely.


I was yanked off of three mg a day and suffered two grand mal seizures. Fired the docs after being psychotic for three months, got back on the script from a pharmacy and weaned . In April of last year I successfully stopped, I was very anxious tho.

So I started to buy Kratom, it helped greatly with the anxiety.

It has sorta a opiate effect to it but I don’t use it because of that. I struggle everyday with so many things because of what I endured in 05.

I don’t blame God, I blame myself.

 

[Sabertooth]

Aside from too much alcohol, the Bible doesn't speak to drug ethics.

Part of a doctor's job is to recommend drugs that have been reasonably vetted. They can still have rare and/or unforeseen side effects or just react poorly to your particular physiology. Those aren't ethical issues, just medical ones.

The only major ethical violation that I can see in modern pharmaceuticals is products that are derived from human abortion, such as embryonic stem cells and fetal cells used to culture some vaccines (and other products).

 

[devin553344]

Ok, doctors nowadays don’t prescribe benzos, especially to former drug addicts.

I live in Oklahoma and my only option is to take Kratom. It takes my anxiety away and gives a slight mood increase.
It’s legal here is Oklahoma.

I really never considered it a sin, but I’m wondering is it???

I suffer many Mental health problems, been through a psychosis and obsessive thoughts. I was doing just fine in 08 until that spring I was hit with massive anxiety.

In 2010 I found a doc willing to help with klonopin. It helped immensely.


I was yanked off of three mg a day and suffered two grand mal seizures. Fired the docs after being psychotic for three months, got back on the script from a pharmacy and weaned . In April of last year I successfully stopped, I was very anxious tho.

So I started to buy Kratom, it helped greatly with the anxiety.

It has sorta a opiate effect to it but I don’t use it because of that. I struggle everyday with so many things because of what I endured in 05.

I don’t blame God, I blame myself.

I will say from a member of the psychiatric community that self medicating is a terrible idea. You only require to work with psychiatrists to deal with your issues. Taking Opioids is a terrible way to live and will make you more psychotic in the end. My suggestion is to get off the drugs and see a licensed doctor. If not you risk having a psychotic episode that may land you in prison.

 

[Blade]

Not sure "Kratom" is a wise choice.

 

[dabro]

Like I said. I’ve been on every anti depressants. Anti psychotic, mood stabilizers.

Klonopin, Xanax or Valium where the only things that worked.


I always have a conviction to tell the truth and I do about my drug history.

I fired my pdoc, wanted to go through my pcp. I started to open up about my history. They made me do a UA, ok that’s fine I have nothing to hide. Get a call saying it leaked on the way to the lab then had to do another one. Got a call saying I had meth in my system, said both times came back positive, I haven’t done meth since 2015, and I had stopped in 06. Only did it a month four years ago.

If they are going to lie about it leaking, they’ll lie about the test.


Was told they couldn’t treat me.

 

[Sabertooth]

I misread about self-medication. @devin553344 is correct.

Even if the Bible does not speak to drug specifics, God still wants us to abide by the laws of the land (until they conflict with obeying Him, directly).

 

[dabro]

Kratom is legal!

 

[dabro]

I think you all are saying it’s best you suffer

 

[crossnote]

I was doing just fine in 08 until that spring I was hit with massive anxiety.

I struggle everyday with so many things because of what I endured in 05.

You told us what happened in 08, but what happened in 05? Or was that a typo?

 

[dabro]

I was raped, by two guards. Thought I gave my Ex HIV.

Walked around okc contemplating suicide.

Went thru a psychotic episode for seven months. Thought I was in a seven year tribulation.


Got saved in 06. In 08 stated to have flashbacks.

In 05 I had a near death experience, I will never be the same. I’m just trying to find peace folks.

 

[devin553344]

Kratom is legal!

Kratom isn't legal everywhere: Is Kratom Legal In My State?

Regardless of legality, I can tell you from experience that Opioids are not a suitable solution for emotional pain. I was on them for a few years due to chronic migraines, and they made my psychosis worse. I would not advise you to use Opioids if you suffer from mental illness. You indicated that your on SSI so then I assume your mentally disabled.

Opioids are only prescribed for physical pain. Emotional pain is handle thru psych-meds. You should see your doctor.

 

[dabro]

First of all it’s not an opiate, second it’s legal in Oklahoma and totally legal where I’m moving, to Virginia.

I don’t have a doctor remember?

 

[dabro]

And I didn’t share the physical pain I’ve been having, it’s flank pain and in the Upper right quadrant. No gall bladder and liver checked out as good.

I think all my psychological illness are doing a number on me physically.

I need klonopin, yet I doubt I’ll wver find a doc willing to prescribe it.

 

[devin553344]

I don’t have a doctor remember?

To answer your OP, and I think the urgent question is whether or not Kratom is a sin, it probably isn't a sin if it's legal in your area. Remember it's not what goes into the temple that defiles it, it's what comes out. That said, if Kratom is worsening you mental condition then it may lead to sin and is probable unwise to use it. See Matthew 15:11.

So more importantly why are you on SSI and not seeing your doctor. That is one of the purposes that you were placed on SSI for, is to be able to get good medical care from psychiatrists.

 

[devin553344]

First of all it’s not an opiate, second it’s legal in Oklahoma and totally legal where I’m moving, to Virginia.

Everything on the internet indicates that Kratom is in fact an opioid-like. Kratom: Uses, Effects, Hazards & Abuse Potential - Drugs.com

You should read the section here:

"The effects are unique in that stimulation occurs at low doses and opioid-like depressant and euphoric effects occur at higher doses. Common uses include treatment of pain, to help prevent withdrawal from opiates (such as prescription narcotics or heroin), and for mild stimulation."

 

[devin553344]

I need klonopin, yet I doubt I’ll wver find a doc willing to prescribe it.

Interaction with a doctor is healthy if you accept your doctors medications and recommendations. It sounds like your trying to tell them what medications you would like to take. You'll probably never find a doctor that would do that. They are highly educated in medicine.

 

[dabro]

I don’t blame God or anyone who did what they did to me.

It happened and there is no changing that.

It was God’s hand of justice.

I can’t have a normal relationship with God because to me He feels like it’s a relationship with my human father. Very abusivr.

Like I have said before, I was wrecking ppls lives. Hurting hearts so all that happened to me was supposed to happen.


Ppl don’t believe I went they what I did, that’s ok, I don’t expect anyone to.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Ok, doctors nowadays don’t prescribe benzos, especially to former drug addicts.

I live in Oklahoma and my only option is to take Kratom. It takes my anxiety away and gives a slight mood increase.
It’s legal here is Oklahoma.

I really never considered it a sin, but I’m wondering is it???

I suffer many Mental health problems, been through a psychosis and obsessive thoughts. I was doing just fine in 08 until that spring I was hit with massive anxiety.

In 2010 I found a doc willing to help with klonopin. It helped immensely.


I was yanked off of three mg a day and suffered two grand mal seizures. Fired the docs after being psychotic for three months, got back on the script from a pharmacy and weaned . In April of last year I successfully stopped, I was very anxious tho.

So I started to buy Kratom, it helped greatly with the anxiety.

It has sorta a opiate effect to it but I don’t use it because of that. I struggle everyday with so many things because of what I endured in 05.

I don’t blame God, I blame myself.

If you are asking if it is a sin to take a prescribed medication in accordance to the doctor's instructions, the answer is no. It is not a sin.

 

[mytel]

We need to be open to a full relationship with God. It is Jesus alone who has paid the price in full for all our sins, and allowed us to have such a relationship.
It might sound like strange or obvious advice, but I would recommend to smile more, even if you have to force it. I read articles saying the brain doesn't know the difference between a fake and real smile, it can have the same benefits on our body/mood.
Lately i have been smiling a lot since i also have a tendency to have anxious thoughts, etc. Even when i do not feel like it, forcing myself to smile, and thinking positively, seems to help combat anxious thoughts and really help. Choosing to think positively for me helps to focus my thoughts on grace, and faith and helps keep the mind centred on God, through Jesus.

 

[Joined2krist]

I was raped, by two guards. Thought I gave my Ex HIV.

Walked around okc contemplating suicide.

Went thru a psychotic episode for seven months. Thought I was in a seven year tribulation.


Got saved in 06. In 08 stated to have flashbacks.

In 05 I had a near death experience, I will never be the same. I’m just trying to find peace folks.

Do you attend church regularly?