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The United States doesn't really have a tradition of more statist, authoritarian right-wing thought in the same way that other places do. Our right wing talks a lot about liberty and small government and free markets and etc.
Often wonder whether or not the talk of free markets is often truly free...or merely double-speech when seeing the ways other markets often get shut down in the process of wanting to open others and "small government" is often code for not having government intervention in certain areas one group desires while simultaneously wanted much government involvement in other areas supporting their interests.
 
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Easy G (G²);61456618 said:
Often wonder whether or not the talk of free markets is often truly free...or merely double-speech when seeing the ways other markets often get shut down in the process of wanting to open others and "small government" is often code for not having government intervention in certain areas one group desires while simultaneously wanted much government involvement in other areas supporting their interests.

What in the world are you talking about?
 
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What in the world are you talking about?
Organizations such as WTO (World Trade Organization) which are the main driving force behind "free markets" that are supposed to be relatively democratic. The only issue is that they actually are only driving the agenda of the 25% of the members (Developed countries) which cause problems when the rest have to put up with it and have no ways to change anything.

It is a de facto standard that the strong will torment the weak on the pure intention of profiting from it somehow. As an example, the USA does not care a bit about free speech when it goes out of its borders.

"Democracy to the world" is also a pathetic disguise for puppet regimes. Iraq is a puppet regime. Cuba used to be a puppet regime and the leader (Batista) was brutal which caused the actual revolution.

Instead of having to assimilate the territories, you just knock down the current govermental forces and replace more USA-friendly candidates. It was really a popular sport with both the USA and USSR during the cold war and has died down a bit, but is still a handy tool.

Freedom is one of the greatest illusions of life. When there is no central govermental power to control you, the strongest person will take control and you just have to wish that they are not paranoid and cruel like Stalin.
 
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What in the world are you talking about?
Exactly what is being talked about in the world by numerous economists and was already mentioned earlier, if actually paying attention/understanding how the world works with markets and things already mentioned (i.e. IMF, World Banks, debt slavery, corporations/corporatism, international cartels supported within the U.S, the concept of democracies being based/set up on other forms of democracies taken away as it was in the city of Athens during the prominence of Greece ages ago, etc). What in the world are you thinking in assuming such isn't the case?
 
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It is a de facto standard that the strong will torment the weak on the pure intention of profiting from it somehow. As an example, the USA does not care a bit about free speech when it goes out of its borders.

"Democracy to the world" is also a pathetic disguise for puppet regimes. Iraq is a puppet regime. Cuba used to be a puppet regime and the leader (Batista) was brutal which caused the actual revolution.
What you mentioned deals with the way language tends to shift in nature and often cause much damage when terms meant to give positive feelings are applied to negative scenarios in order to justify what's done.

Consider Nat Turner.



If studying African-American History, one will quiclly recall many of the Slave Revolts that often happened—-with ones like the Nat Turner slave rebellon being amongst the most famous since he was trying to get freedom at all costs…and led a revolt in Virginia on August 21, 1831 that resulted in 56 deaths among their victims, the largest number of white fatalities to occur in one uprising in the antebellum southern United States.

Some would say that he was a “terrorist”—and yet, one can understand how he arrived at that point after seeing attrocities like the raping of their families, kidnapping, ruthless whippings and many other evils. We can condemn the man in hindsight—but if in the times, whose side would you be on? Though the slave masters were angry at the loss of life on their side, was it not something they already had a hand in because they already oppressed one group—-and ironically, felt they were the “freedom fighters” because of how they as “Americans” (whites) fought for their independence from Britain?

Take it further..Were the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution “acts of terrorism”? Who is the terrorists and who is the fighter for liberty? As it stands, its interesting to see what happens when one groups fights an invading party after being terrorized….and then are labeled as “terrorists” by those invading.

I've always found it odd that many demonized people like Nat Turner for his actions, saying how much of an "injustice" it was---and yet, to do the same to a slave...or to do the same to an American Indian, as was done systematically/repeatedly for centuries, was seen as a "heroic" act to the people who approved of it. One of the reasons why (as mentioned earlier) Fredrick Douglass wrote as he did in "What's the 4th of July to a Slave?" speech in showing the utter hypocrisy of the U.S (more here and here and here ).



To spread from "Sea to Shining Sea" (as Manifest Destiny goes) was a mindset that justified the destruction of so many people when it came to colonial expansion...while groups responding in kind were always deemed as "villians" and the people attacked as "innocents"--with those who were initially aggressors being deemed as "heroes" for seeking to address that.

To expand on the dynamic further, If studying U.S History, those in the American revolution are considered “freedom fighters” because of how they as “Americans” fought for their independence from Britain. However, if the British called those in the U.S “Insurgents”, the term would not be accepted gladly. Taking it further, if the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution were called “acts of terrorism” due to guerilla warfare tatics against the British, would it be deemed as “truthful conversation?” For similar situations today, consider Iraq or other places were an occupation occurred and those fighting back were called “terrorists”/ “rebels” and insurgents even though they used the same term on the Occupiers.

Who is the terrorists and who is the fighter for liberty? It’s interesting witnessing what happens when one groups fights an invading party after being terrorized….and then are labeled as “terrorists” by those invading…or “insurgents.”

In our times today, words and phrases euphemistically used by American and British mass media to refer to military operations not only sugar-coat harsh events, but also premeditatedly modify the addressee's correct perception of reality, so that what actually happens is no longer reflected in language. Thus, language becomes deceitful—but good enough for both sides to consider satisfactory.

Something else to consider is principles governing military euphemistic use. Many times, the intention is to minimise the effect that strong words might have on the reader/hearer. It is because of this that military discourse never uses words like "guilt," "murder," "assassination," "retreat," "spy," "torture," "lie," "siege," "mistake," or "invasion," for fear these lexemes might raise awareness of what really happens in the conflict area. The goal is to ensure that the "innocent" public can remain innocent, with sensitivities intact, never knowing the truth even as they may say they would like to have it.

In so doing, language is no longer informational, it becomes a propaganda tool, meant to hide too harsh a reality. By using euphemisms, the military discourse avoids enraging, or outraging the public, unless this is really meant, and makes world conflicts and military activities more agreeable. In the case of military euphemisms, the most important part is played by the media, whose means of manipulation include the use of such terms in order to conceal the truth.

For other examples. consider the terms often used whenever you see things discussed:

—Insurgents (local groups native to the area resisting occupation)
— permissive environment (unchallenging territory from the military point of view)
— border protection (deploying the Navy to intercept boats loaded with desperate Afghans and Iraqis)
— caught in the cross-fire (women and children shot dead by soldiers)
— ethnic cleansing (extermination, genocide)
— administrative detention (imprisonment without charge or trial)
— generous offer (demand for surrender)
— incursion (attacking with tanks and planes)
—air campaign (aircraft bombing)
— civilian casualties (innocent people death),
—Friendly fire (death inadvertently caused to one's own troops) and many others.




For many readers/hearers, these words are not loaded unless given in a context pertaining to the conflict situation in hostile areas such as the Middle East, the Persian Gulf or other places


All this is mentioned in order to emphasize the point that just as terms can be a bit misleading, so the term "hero" can also be put out of place....as well as "innocents."
 
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Organizations such as WTO (World Trade Organization) which are the main driving force behind "free markets" that are supposed to be relatively democratic. The only issue is that they actually are only driving the agenda of the 25% of the members (Developed countries) which cause problems when the rest have to put up with it and have no ways to change anything.

It is a de facto standard that the strong will torment the weak on the pure intention of profiting from it somehow. As an example, the USA does not care a bit about free speech when it goes out of its borders.

"Democracy to the world" is also a pathetic disguise for puppet regimes. Iraq is a puppet regime. Cuba used to be a puppet regime and the leader (Batista) was brutal which caused the actual revolution.

Instead of having to assimilate the territories, you just knock down the current govermental forces and replace more USA-friendly candidates. It was really a popular sport with both the USA and USSR during the cold war and has died down a bit, but is still a handy tool.

Freedom is one of the greatest illusions of life. When there is no central govermental power to control you, the strongest person will take control and you just have to wish that they are not paranoid and cruel like Stalin.
The entire concept of "might makes right" often playing out in many spheres of life even when there's talk of things being done fairly. The history of the U.S in having puppet regimes/rule by proxy is well-documented and often surprising for many to consider when it comes to examining the ways that governments are often creating the same problems it later tries to distance itself from---and often making governments in the name of the people that are really set up to control them....with revolt later being labeled as an attack on "freedom/democracy" (translation: people went against the ideologies of those in control of the levels of freeom that other ruling elites were comfortable with ). I've often found myself finding more truthful representations/news reports in global media than in the U.S when it often reports things selectively rather than showing how they really are.

Noam Chomsky actually did some good review on the issue of how often people have the wrong concept of freedom with "free markets" and how much of it is never truly free.

America Is Not A Democracy - Noam Chomsky


Noam Chomsky: "Free Markets?" - YouTube

Noam Chomsky - Free Market Fantasies - Capitalism In The Real ...
 
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Easy G (G²);61457582 said:
Exactly what is being talked about in the world by numerous economists and was already mentioned earlier, if actually paying attention/understanding how the world works with markets and things already mentioned (i.e. IMF, World Banks, debt slavery, corporations/corporatism, international cartels supported within the U.S, the concept of democracies being based/set up on other forms of democracies taken away as it was in the city of Athens during the prominence of Greece ages ago, etc). What in the world are you thinking in assuming such isn't the case?

Hey, I'm not challenging your facts, just trying to understand them. That is all.
 
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Hey, I'm not challenging your facts, just trying to understand them. That is all.
Got ya on the trying to understand part. Generally, when someone says "What in the world are you talking about", it tends to indicate dismissal as opposed to facts. My bad for misunderstanding, as some phrases always seem to have a universal meaning whenever they're used (and generally, it seems to always indicate anything but trying to understand even if the intention was otherwise).
 
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Easy G (G²);61458952 said:
Got ya on the trying to understand part. Generally, when someone says "What in the world are you talking about", it tends to indicate dismissal as opposed to facts. My bad for misunderstanding, as some phrases always seem to have a universal meaning whenever they're used (and generally, it seems to always indicate anything but trying to understand even if the intention was otherwise).

I'm sorry too - didn't mean to sound dismissive. I am genuinely interested in what you have to say! :)

I have a chronic pain condition and got 3 hours sleep last night, so please accept my apology.
 
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Yolu are not alone - Lots of people are so biased they won't watch Dish Network, Channel 212 tonight at 8 or 7 not sure - you will see how far along we are down the world of Muslim Brotherhood infilterating our government and what changes are being made to satisfy the Muslim Brotherhood. I've seen some clips from it - it is really freightening how far they have come. They won't watch it because it is Glenn Beck's channel. The name of it is The Project - took 8 months to make it. Be informed or just sit back and watch. It's happening.
 
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I learned about bias in the 9th grade, when I used my shortwave receiver to listen to Radio Havana, Cuba and Radio Moscow back in the late 70's. You want to talk biased media!! It had quite a good amount of entertainment value!

^_^^_^
 
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I'm sorry too - didn't mean to sound dismissive. I am genuinely interested in what you have to say! :)

I have a chronic pain condition and got 3 hours sleep last night, so please accept my apology.
More than understand, especially as it concerns the sleep issue. Had a lot of work to do and didn't end up getting home till late and then had other things to handle as well.
 
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When there is no central govermental power to control you, the strongest person will take control and you just have to wish that they are not paranoid and cruel like Stalin.
It does seem that regardless of whatever options chooses, the trajectory of the nation since its inception has always seemed to lean toward central government power on differing levels..
 
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God is good...and as one of my dear brothers said best:

Listen to me very carefully, the God who is Sovereign over Cuba and China is the same God who is Sovereign over America and Great Britain. The same God who is Sovereign over China and Sudan is the same God who is Sovereign over Canada and Mexico. God’s sovereignty (reign) has not been, is not currently and never will be effected by man made institutions, if so He is no longer God by the very definition it takes to be God!
 
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President Obama making use of his remaining time:

Obama Says NFL Needs to Get Regular Referees Back in Games - Bloomberg
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I'm actually glad the President was involved in the world of sports. It cracked me up when someone tried to check him on that back a couple of years agon in saying he didn't understand football.


It's always cool when being able to see people that are down to earth:


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I would sleep less knowing a president never actually lived everyday life as other Americans/was already with his finger at the ready to push the red button because of how stessed they were.... and thankful for those that don't do that, just as I was glad when Bush would attend sports/comment on it or Clinton played the saxaphone and many others besides that. It's a part of what many do when it comes to helping others process. Presidents are people too and need to be seen as such rather than larger than life as if they don't know how to relate anymore.....and seeing that SPorts/media are one of the greatest ways of influence and shaping others (more shared elsewhere here ), I'm not surprised to see his involvement.

Whether folks like him or hate him, there've been people on all sides thankful for a down-to-earth president.






Good review by David Zurin on the issue of how much sports have made a difference in political conversations when it comes to political activism--and the many reasons as to why President Obama has been actively connected to that:



David has agreed with the President as well as disagreed many times as well....more on that here and here at Message to Obama: You Can't Have Muhammad Ali -
 
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