Ukraine and War

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That was by design. We could have ended the Taliban years ago if we wanted. Most of the "war" that's happing around the world is just a game for politicians and billionaires. This war will most likely be the same. A few people are going to get very rich off this.

It's a game we cannot win... Not now.

Think about it. We can't manage to secure our own border... Do you really think we can secure one halfway around the world?

We aren't serious about war anymore, we aren't serious about anything. It's a money making project for the elites and that all, off the backs of taxpayers.

While they may have the heart, the American people most certainly don't.

And honestly, I'm absolutely 100% against this in the first place. I'm sure many feel the same. The Ukraine has one of the most corrupt governments on earth and half the Ukrainians want to rejoin Russia because of it.

In my mind this is simple. Let Russia have it.
 
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Turkey is leaving NATO. The US needs to secure Black Sea control. The Ukrainians know this, so for years, they have been playing a game of graft and strategic political mechanations. This explains the Hunter Biden connection. This is also the reason the Ukrainians tried to assist American leftists in the first Trump impeachment.

Meanwhile, the Russians are reading the tea leaves and know NATO expansion will put the Americans on their soft underbelly. Turkey is about to build a new Central Asian alliance that puts itself on the border of China and Russia. All 92 Turkic speaking tribes recently met in Tashkent prior to the US stirring the pot in Kazakhstan. Long and short of it is that Ukraine is about to be taken by someone - Russia or NATO - because the Turks are going their own way and it is only a matter of when, not if, Mackinder's Eurasian dominance theory - a Russian, Turkey, China alliance - is about to be realized.

The US has no choice if it wants to stay relevant. The problem: it weakened itself so badly, because it chose to demonize its White warrior class to placate globalists. It's leaders believed we somehow transcended the "Great Game" into a new era, while other powers essentially played the same game they have played for 2000 years. America walked itself into a trap of China, Russia, and Turkey's making - with strategic Jewish support.

Note: Israel used US tax dollars to open a Communist Chinese Naval Base in Haifa in December 2019. They knew what was happening. They have already aligned with Beijing over the American people.

Get ready for a lot of dead Americans over a war we cannot win OR nothing - and a global realization that the United States is dead.
 
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It's a game we cannot win... Not now.

Think about it. We can't manage to secure our own border... Do you really think we can secure one halfway around the world?

We aren't serious about war anymore, we aren't serious about anything. It's a money making project for the elites and that all, off the backs of taxpayers.

While they may have the heart, the American people most certainly don't.

And honestly, I'm absolutely 100% against this in the first place. I'm sure many feel the same. The Ukraine has one of the most corrupt governments on earth and half the Ukrainians want to rejoin Russia because of it.

In my mind this is simple. Let Russia have it.

Russia will certainly have Ukraine. Other world governments, including our own, have to stage a half hearted resistance if they want to make money from the weapons that will be manufactured and to stage a show for the citizens.
 
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Russia has broken the back of the most powerful army in the world before...

They are a shadow of their former glory. Their military capabilities are either exaggerated or knockoffs of American equipment now.
 
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Russia has broken the back of the most powerful army in the world before...
The outcomes of WW II on both the European and Japanese front was thanks to the sacrifice of Russia. Both wars essentially won by the USSR, before they were later denied the promises by America of spoils made to them of reparation by Churchill and Roosevelt, instead becoming the brunt of a cold war. Can you blame them for not trusting the DSA?
 
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Is Ukraine in NATO? No
Is Turkey leaving NATO? No. A few heckling matches are not political decisions. Turkey has made no formal moves to leave NATO or express the intention of doing so.
Does ‘half of Ukraine’ want to be part of Russia? Absolutely, definitely not. There is no basis for this random assertion. Ukraine has been moving towards Europe socially, politically, culturally since it escaped the Soviet Union.

Russia and Ukraine have been at war since 2014. It seems likely there will be increased attempts to set up a puppet government, grab more strategically important strips of land etc. Putin is going to see what he can get away with and move when he thinks the time is right.
 
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Ukraine has been moving towards Europe socially, politically, culturally since it escaped the Soviet Union.
Considering pre-world wars Northern Ukraine was a part of Austria. But it has always been the property of invading nations throughout history, never being partially independent until now. Last I heard was all Putin wanted was a guarantee that Ukraine would not be allowed in NATO.
 
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The outcomes of WW II on both the European and Japanese front was thanks to the sacrifice of Russia. Both wars essentially won by the USSR, before they were later denied the promises by America of spoils made to them of reparation by Churchill and Roosevelt, instead becoming the brunt of a cold war. Can you blame them for not trusting the DSA?

So you think the West should've kowtowed to the dictator Stalin and his brutal regime ?

Have you ever read about the suffering the political prisoners endured in his Gulag system ?
 
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They won WWII on both counts by sheer body sacrifice, something I amsure both they and China would still be willing to do.

The Russian people fought for their homeland. However, what they ended up with was hardly
what they fought for.
 
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But they did, as a much needed allied nation

Only during WWII to beat Hitler. They weren't all that sure Stalin would do what he did.

So, are you trying to justify Joe Stalin's policies in the Soviet Union ?
 
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However, what they ended up with was hardly
what they fought for.

Exactly, Russia didn't get what they fought for, as the US reneged on the deal Britain made with Russia over sharing of their oil fields in the Middle East where the DSA took it all for themselves claiming Britain owed them for their mercenary services. As for the eastern bloc of European nations, they were not grabbed by Russia but were doled out as part of agreement by the big three
 
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Exactly, Russia didn't get what they fought for, as the US reneged on the deal Britain made with Russia over sharing of their oil fields in the Middle East where the DSA took it all for themselves claiming Britain owed them for their mercenary services. As for the eastern bloc of European nations, they were not grabbed by Russia but were doled out as part of agreement by the big three

The US didn't renege on anything.

They saw what the Russians were going to do when they invaded Poland and annexed neighboring countries. They divided Germany and East Germany was hell to live in as all the Soviet Union and their satellite nations were.

Stalin created the iron curtain and starved his people and isolated the USSR from the rest of the world.

You really need to read The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. You seem to be in denial on just what the Soviet Union was like.

FYI, I worked with Jewish Russian women who escaped from the Soviet Union. They were glad that the propaganda they were taught about the west was BS.
 
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That has nothing to do with the topic at hand so why the diversion?

Diversion ? You're the one who created the diversion in order to
justify the Soviet Union


BTW, Putin was opposed to the breakup of the Soviet Union.

He's had a dream to bring back the Communists regime like
it was when he was head of the KGB
 
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