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UK court orders forced abortion for disabled Catholic, Nigerian woman

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    Lord have mercy!
     
  3. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    Her and her mother are both objecting to this barbaric decision. Just absolutely terrifying.
     
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  5. Brightmoon

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    The court is acting in loco parentis I suppose. As she’s not capable of making an informed decision. I wonder why they didn’t allow the grandmother to care for the baby . In the USA that might be illegal . I’m not at all familiar with UK Laws
     
  6. JacobKStarkey

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    UK law gives the Judge that authority, which she used to make a very unwise decision.

    The grandmother, who is taking care of her daughter, said she would care for the baby as well, yet the Judge took that decision out of her hands.

    There is a murder squad loose in the NHS
     
  7. Anhelyna

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    A few things to bear in mind

    1) The girl in question is 22

    2) That would mean her mother is probably about 40 - maybe a bit less

    3) Grandmother's age - could well be 60

    Grandmother is already helping her daughter [ the girl's mother] to care for the girl.

    I would imagine the judge has taken the age of grandma into account - once the baby is born - just how long will both ladies be able to care for this baby as it grows into adulthood ?
     
  8. Brightmoon

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    since she’s an adult they probably don’t have to take the family’s wishes into consideration. Even in the USA they’ll take a child from a family for Medical reasons if the parents religion forbids them to give medical care for the child . It used to happen to Jehovah witnesses a lot.
     
  9. Anhelyna

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    From the article

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    The Court of Protection handles cases involving individuals judged to lack the mental capacity to make decisions for themselves.

    The woman, who cannot been publicly identified, has been described as “in her twenties,” and is under the care of an NHS trust, part of the UK’s National Health Service. >>
     
  10. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    Look- The baby could be adopted out, fostered, whatever. The Grandmother is most likely perfectly capable of caring for her grandchild. This is a decision to kill. Against the family's wishes. This completely oversteps the bounds of decency across the board. She has family. She wants to have the child. And family is willing to raise the child. I really do not know how some people sleep at night.
     
  11. Anhelyna

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    I am not making any judgements here - I do not believe in abortion BUT we do not have all the facts of this case
     
  12. Michie

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    The woman's mother, reported to be a former midwife, registered her absolute opposition to the abortion citing the Catholic faith of her and her daughter. A social worker who cares for the woman also disagreed she should be forced to have an abortion.
     
  13. Michie

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    There is no excuse for forced abortion/murder.
     
  14. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    The judge as a lawyer:

    As a lawyer Lieven has appeared in court before in cases concerning abortion. In 2011, while representing the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, an abortion provider, she argued that British women should be permitted to medically abort their pregnancies in their own homes instead of a hospital.
     
  15. Michie

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    Five years later, Lieven argued in court that Northern Ireland's abortion laws were a violation of the United Kingdom's Human Rights Act.

    In 2017, she said Northern Ireland's were akin to torture and were discriminatory.
     
  16. Michie

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    NHS statistic show babies born at 24 weeks have a 50% chance of survival on average, though the rate depends on the NHS trust providing care. Babies born in a University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust hospital in London at 23 weeks of gestation have a 70% chance of survival.
     
  17. Davidnic

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    My mother had us at 42. When she died my grandmother took care of us while Dad worked two sometimes three coal mining jobs. She was 72. I'm this situation she would have been 62.

    Legally it may be their matter but morally it is not matter for courts.
     
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  18. Davidnic

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    This quote from the justice is pure evil:

    I think [the woman] would suffer greater trauma from having a baby removed [from her care],” Lieven said, because “it would at that stage be a real baby.”

    Lieven clarified that the pregnancy “although real to [the woman], doesn’t have a baby outside her body she can touch.”

    That thought process is straight up Satanic.
     
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  19. Michie

    Michie Human rights begin in the womb. Supporter

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    Absolutely. Makes me want to vomit.
     
  20. Brightmoon

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    The problem with lesser of 2 evils choices is that both are usually bad . (sigh)
     
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