U.S. Launches Missiles at Syrian Base After Chemical Weapons Attack

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm disagreeing with the notion there are 2 clear sides, with Assad on one and ISIS & co. on the other

No you're right. It is a choice between Assad, Al-Nusra, ISIL, and Ahrar Al-Sham. Any of the latter three would be basically the same

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

This is the anti-Assad tactics in action:

Swedish Medical Associations Says White Helmets Murdered Kids for Fake Gas Attack Videos | Veterans Today

Unfortunately, it's very common today. Lie upon lie, fake news upon fake news.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

The number of atheists who supported Donald trump should have been the first warning sign that something was wrong...
Remember that the alt- right movement was primarily founded by secular atheists. Even the name " alt-right " was coined by outspoken atheist / nationalist Richard Spencer

Trump or Clinton is six of one or half a dozen of the other.

 

[Jeepneytravel]

Trump or Clinton is six of one or half a dozen of the other.

Right on...anybody the USA elects as president has to be a globalist puppet...I guess Trump is no different..

 

[SpeckOdust]

Nerve gas is a little hard to come by for non state actors.

The recent Event in Syria was manoeuvred against President Assad (he was on the ascendency to winning back his Country,with the help of Russia and others...Why would Assad then make such a bold-move like that,before the International-Community?) Also,you have to examine what Politicians have actually said in Interviews in the past 20-30 Years,to see that there is a concerted-effort to shape the World a certain way by engineering and fomenting Conflicts (in the Countries directly outside of Israel!!!).

 

[Biblicist]

Russia has warned the US that they are both very close to war

Russia Today (RT.com) reported earlier today that the Russian Federation has warned the US that they risk war with Russia over their illegal attacks on Syrian government installations; this warning has also become the first news article in our nightly news programs.

I would hope that Christians in the US will spend some time speaking to their Congressmen about the abominable behaviour of the USA in that they need to reign in their neocons. The US needs to stop fermenting war and providing support to the Islamo-terrorists within the Middle East.

Edit: RT.com
Russia's PM Dmitry Medvedev stated the following:

"The US attack on an airfield in Syria has been conducted “on the verge of a military clash” with Russia, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said, adding that President Trump has been “broken by the US power machine” in just two-and-a-half months".​

 

[SpeckOdust]

Yeah...The US hit a military target. Syria hits rebels with chemical agents and murders 100 civilians.

Can we all just admit there are no "good guys" in the Syrian conflict?

 

[mindlight]

U.S. launches missiles at Syrian base after chemical weapons attack

I read through the thread to check if the questions this incident posed to me had been answered but could not find any commentary on this. So my questions are these:

1) I understand between53 and 59 missiles were fired but only 21 actually hit their targets. Were the rest shot down and if so were they so by Russian antimissile systems used to protect the Russian presence at the airfield.

2) We all saw the pictures of the children who were killed by chemical attack. That is horrific and if indeed the Americans have strong intelligence to the effect that Assad did this then clearly he crossed a red line here. But how do we know this was a chemical attack by the Syrian government. It seems an extraordinarily stupid strategic miscalculation by the Syrian government as things were starting to look up for them.

3) Fox news gave a report implying that this incident has more to do with a recent confab between Xi Jingping and Trump over handling North KOrea. Basically it sends a message that if China will not act to contain the nuclear ambitions of its rogue ally then America can and will act alone to ensure Kin Jong-Un is contained. So maybe this was more about sending a message to China than to the Syrian government. What are peoples thoughts on this?

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

I read through the thread to check if the questions this incident posed to me had been answered but could not find any commentary on this. So my questions are these:

1) I understand between53 and 59 missiles were fired but only 21 actually hit their targets. Were the rest shot down and if so were they so by Russian antimissile systems used to protect the Russian presence at the airfield.

2) We all saw the pictures of the children who were killed by chemical attack. That is horrific and if indeed the Americans have strong intelligence to the effect that Assad did this then clearly he crossed a red line here. But how do we know this was a chemical attack by the Syrian government. It seems an extraordinarily stupid strategic miscalculation by the Syrian government as things were starting to look up for them.

3) Fox news gave a report implying that this incident has more to do with a recent confab between Xi Jingping and Trump over handling North KOrea. Basically it sends a message that if China will not act to contain the nuclear ambitions of its rogue ally then America can and will act alone to ensure Kin Jong-Un is contained. So maybe this was more about sending a message to China than to the Syrian government. What are peoples thoughts on this?

1) S300 and S400 missle defence systems in Suriya do not protect the Syrian base hit by USA. There was a Syrian missle defence unit protecting the air base, but the weapons and short distance of firing would make that Suriyan defence totally ineffective. They simply had no time to react. Many Tomahawks fell near the air base, a couple hitting a village nearby with civilian casualties including 4 young kids dead. US military says they warned the Russians, but it's not true. Russian military say they didn't get any notification before the attack. Otherwise, they would at least ask Syrian army to vacate the base.

2) There ia solid proof from sources on site it came not from Assad army. Including doctors. Assad had destroyed all his chem weapons after being accused of an attack once before. His army ceised chem agents Saudi made form the bad guys they're fighting many times. Syrian rep to UN many times warned about such imminent scenario. Why would Assad be suicidal? He's not. Such chem attack had zero military advantage, but he knew for sure the West would attack.

3) This false flag chem attack and the US missle attack were prepared long time ago. Daily Mail published in 2013 an article with hacked emails of Pentagon generals who were discussing organising chem attacks by "opposition" and blaming the Syrian government as pretext for US attack. This article was removed from Daily Mail website yesterday. Yes, purpose is many-fold, mainly against peace in Syria, against Russia but also against China. The timing wasn't accidental.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Russia has warned the US that they are both very close to war

Russia Today (RT.com) reported earlier today that the Russian Federation has warned the US that they risk war with Russia over their illegal attacks on Syrian government installations; this warning has also become the first news article in our nightly news programs.

I would hope that Christians in the US will spend some time speaking to their Congressmen about the abominable behaviour of the USA in that they need to reign in their neocons. The US needs to stop fermenting war and providing support to the Islamo-terrorists within the Middle East.

Edit: RT.com
Russia's PM Dmitry Medvedev stated the following:

"The US attack on an airfield in Syria has been conducted “on the verge of a military clash” with Russia, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said, adding that President Trump has been “broken by the US power machine” in just two-and-a-half months".​

War is inevitable. It only is a matter if time.

 

[Biblicist]

1) S300 and S400 missle defence systems in Suriya do not protect the Syrian base hit by USA. There was a Syrian missle defence unit protecting the air base, but the weapons and short distance of firing would make that Suriyan defence totally ineffective.

It will be interesting to see if the Russians provide a few S300 missile systems to help protect Syria from International terrorism. As for the S400 I do not know if any countries other than 'maybe' China have received any of the more advanced S400 systems.

The Russians have announced that they are sending back one of their battle-cruisers which we can only hope will be used to shoot down any US sea-to-ground missiles; though there is also the possibility that they might be compelled to fire at US ships.

 

[redleghunter]

Actually more than MSM and internal intelligence.

A US AWACS E-3 tracked Syrian aircraft from their home airbase to the site of the attack. The timing of the flight and effects on the ground coincided.

 

[redleghunter]

I guess all the media bluster of Trump being a Russian type Manchurian candidate are now blown out of the water.

If Trump's admin had all these alleged back channel secret contacts, don't you think they would share information to avoid the current situation?

Thinking this TLAM strike puts to rest a lot of the false narratives promoted by the liberal media and politicians.

 

[mindlight]

2) There ia solid proof from sources on site it came not from Assad army. Including doctors. Assad had destroyed all his chem weapons after being accused of an attack once before. His army ceised chem agents Saudi made form the bad guys they're fighting many times. Syrian rep to UN many times warned about such imminent scenario. Why would Assad be suicidal? He's not. Such chem attack had zero military advantage, but he knew for sure the West would attack.

The evidence on the ground is that Sarin killed the people there. Also noone disputes that Syrian bombers from the base America attacked conducted the bombing. The 2 competing theories are

1) Syria bombed with Sarin
2) A Syrian airforce bomber hit a rebel chemical factory releasing Sarin.

2) is not plausible because a bomb would have destroyed the Sarin not released it.

Syria 'chemical attack': What we know - BBC News

 

[mindlight]

I guess all the media bluster of Trump being a Russian type Manchurian candidate are now blown out of the water.

If Trump's admin had all these alleged back channel secret contacts, don't you think they would share information to avoid the current situation?

Thinking this TLAM strike puts to rest a lot of the false narratives promoted by the liberal media and politicians.

I do not think Trump was ever in Russias pocket even if there was a coincidence of mutual interest in the run up to the election. Also Putin is not a perfect ally to Trump as he has his own agenda:BUT...

1) Trumps original intent of working with Russia to deal with the Middle East was a sound one. It would be a shame if he granted the Russophobes that dominated the Obama administration victory by conforming to their agenda.

2) While it seems Assad did order "any means necessary" attacks on his enemies the alternatives to his government mostly seem less palatable and especially to surviving Christians. The guy is an idiot if he is still using chemical weopans and he seriously over estimated his hand if he thought he would get away with it. Trump has shown unexpected strength here But getting rid of IS should remain the top priority.

 

[redleghunter]

The evidence on the ground is that Sarin killed the people there. Also noone disputes that Syrian bombers from the base America attacked conducted the bombing. The 2 competing theories are

1) Syria bombed with Sarin
2) A Syrian airforce bomber hit a rebel chemical factory releasing Sarin.

2) is not plausible because a bomb would have destroyed the Sarin not released it.

Syria 'chemical attack': What we know - BBC News

Depends on the bomb. I remember when I worked a program with the consequence management team President Clinton shot down proposed attacks on Iraq's chemical factories in the late 90s. No one could assure him the attacks would completely destroy any agents present.

 

[SolomonVII]

The bottom line is Russia is there, and it is not going anywhere. A full out assault against Assad would mean that America and Russia are at war.
Trump made a show of strength against chemical deployment without damaging Russian interests.

It is all about Assad now. Like when Reagan dropped a few bombs into Khaddaffi's palace, Assad has been served ample warning that it is not the Russians that America is gunning for.

Assad might want to keep his head down from here on out.

 

[mindlight]

1) S300 and S400 missle defence systems in Suriya do not protect the Syrian base hit by USA. There was a Syrian missle defence unit protecting the air base, but the weapons and short distance of firing would make that Suriyan defence totally ineffective. They simply had no time to react. Many Tomahawks fell near the air base, a couple hitting a village nearby with civilian casualties including 4 young kids dead. US military says they warned the Russians, but it's not true. Russian military say they didn't get any notification before the attack. Otherwise, they would at least ask Syrian army to vacate the base.

After the Turks downed a Russian plane the Russians did deploy Sa-21 Growlers to Syria (S-400). While it was NOT deployed at Shayran it was supposed to cover the base. What the attacks reveal is a weakness in the system. It may be effective against ballistic missiles or fighter bombers at up to 400 km range but it is not that effective against ground hugging cruise missiles. Also even if the system had been deployed directly at the base it seems unlikely it would have intercepted all 50+ missiles fired by the Americans. The message here is that Russia should not think to mess with the Americans. Also since their system is better than anything the Chinese have nor should the Chinese.

If the Russians did not intercept any missiles how do we explain the discrepancy between missiles fired and missiles on target? Reports of the deaths of 4 kids from a missile falling short seem to be to be misinformation and lack evidence.

 

[PottersHands]

I have a feeling America has been suckered into this. There is no logical reason whatsover why Assad would risk recent gains and 'support' from America by undertaking such a heinous act. In the terrible war that is Syria, Muslim factions are want to enact atrocities on fellow Muslims. They care not. Its all about the bigger picture. If a faction aided by, for example, Turkey can succeed in getting America to turn against Assad then the Islamists will win.

I agree, there is no reason Assad or Putin would take this great a risk right now considering who Trump is. They have everything to lose. This has false flag or Israel all over it. Of course there is no way you can get close to where it happened to verify anything. Just really surprised Trump would take the bait so easily. Although, there isn't much left to destroy in Syria with a few cruise missiles except lives, mainly Assad's. Still, why wouldn't Trump be more discriminating about this decision and see that it doesn't add up?

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

It will be interesting to see if the Russians provide a few S300 missile systems to help protect Syria from International terrorism. As for the S400 I do not know if any countries other than 'maybe' China have received any of the more advanced S400 systems.

The Russians have announced that they are sending back one of their battle-cruisers which we can only hope will be used to shoot down any US sea-to-ground missiles; though there is also the possibility that they might be compelled to fire at US ships.

There's both S300 and S400 near two Russian bases in Syria.