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U of T profs alarmed by Jordan Peterson's plan to target classes he calls 'indoctrination cults'

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Rion, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. *Starlight*

    *Starlight* Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time

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    From these quotes, it seems like he's trying to prevent a conflict between left-wing radicals in colleges and right-wing radicals that he believes will become more popular because of these left-wing radicals.
    In this case, you were very obviously avoiding it, a few times in a row even.

    You asked me how many people care about avoiding witch hunts. I replied that I guess not many seem to care about it. Then, you said that my guess was quite wrong. I asked how exactly it was wrong.

    Also, I'm not "indoctrinated" and I think his motives are good.
     
  2. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    His actions indicate that he's trying to incite a conflict. There is no conflict now, but there will be once his site gets off the ground.

    Don't be fooled by his claims.. he wants a conflict -- just on his terms. It's a smart move, really.

    Fair enough -- you're wrong because quite a large number of people care about witch hunts, given their ever-increasing popularity.

    I'm not "indoctrinated" either, and I find his motives highly questionable.
     
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    You keep talking about hate. Do you hate people you
    disagree with so much that you can't imagine that
    they don't feel the same?
     
  4. TLK Valentine

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    You love America, so you claim; the left is trying to destroy America, so you claim.

    Are you trying to convince us that you don't hate them for what they're doing to your country?

    If you're not going to be honest with yourself, you're wasting your time trying to be honest with others. "This above all, to thy own self be true."
     
  5. *Starlight*

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    There have already been some conflicts that were the results of radicalized/indoctrinated students, like what happened at Evergreen College. It would be good to prevent stuff like that from happening again.


    But that wasn't what I said. My guess was that not many people care about avoiding witch hunts. You keep saying that I'm wrong about it. How exactly am I wrong?

    It's normal for people to disagree about stuff.
     
  6. TLK Valentine

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    It's normal for people to have ideological differences.

    Is it normal for people to set up websites to expose such people as "extremists" who are running "cults" with the expressed purpose of costing them their livelihood?
     
  7. *Starlight*

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    Cults and extremists exist. Would you be against a website that exposed shady stuff done by Scientologists, for example?

    And how was my guess wrong?
     
  8. TLK Valentine

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    Are you suggesting that scientologists are cultish extremists who should be pushed out of their jobs?

    If so, is that how you're justifying Peterson's witch hunt against people who hold ideologies he doesn't agree with?

    Asked and answered. Accept your error and let it go.
     
  9. *Starlight*

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    At least some of them are, there's some really shady stuff that Scientology has done. As for pushing out of a job, that's only if the cult activities are interfering with doing the job properly, especially if they cause the person to do unethical stuff on their job.

    Do you think it's ok for cultist to use college classes as a platform to indoctrinate people?

    You didn't answer. You forgot my actual statement, and responded to something I didn't say.
     
  10. TLK Valentine

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    Are you suggesting that leftists are the same?

    Have I called for Peterson to be fired?

    If it means that much to you, would you be so kind as to repeat your question, the better to finally let it go?
     
  11. *Starlight*

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    No, I've never suggested that. It's obviously possible to have left-wing views without having a cult like mentality. and without being an extremist.

    How is this relevant?

    You asked me how many people actually care about avoiding witch hunts. I answered that I guess not many people care about it. You said that my guess was quite wrong, without explaining how. So, how was my guess "quite wrong"?
     
  12. TLK Valentine

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    Then why is Peterson calling for a hunt?

    It directly addresses your question... or did you assume that only left wing professors can indoctrinate students?

    Asked and answered. Quite a lot of people care, given their increasing popularity.
     
  13. *Starlight*

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    Because some students, like those in the example I linked earlier, are getting radicalized by cultists in college classes.
    Any ideology can be taken to the extreme and turned into a cult. Also, I never mentioned "left wing" or "right wing", because I think these categories make no sense.
    But the popularity is driven by people who don't care about avoiding witch hunts.
     
  14. TLK Valentine

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    Sounds like this time the witches are real...

    Then you could conceivably see Peterson falling afoul of his own witch hunt? Wouldn't that be a sight!

    (In fact, now I want his website to get off the ground... it gives me a wonderfully grinchy idea...)
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    Clearly because they care about catching witches...
     
  15. *Starlight*

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    According to the police, yes. They told Prof. Weinstein that he's in danger when the student cultists were after him.
    Well, if he used his classes as a platform for indoctrination, then why not?
    Do you want to submit false stuff about him?
    They don't care about avoiding witch hunts.
     
  16. TLK Valentine

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    Cultists, you say?

    I'll bet he can give a dozen reasons.

    How could I do such a thing? I never took his class.

    Because they want witch hunts.
     
  17. *Starlight*

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    I think in this case it's appropriate to call it a kind of a cult. How would you call it?
    That's what I've been saying for the last bazillion posts, while you said that I'm "quite wrong".
     
  18. TLK Valentine

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    Angry students. Is every angry student a cultist?

    You said there were a lot? I thought you said the exact opposite?
     
  19. *Starlight*

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    But they weren't just angry, they were angry in the name of a radical ideology that was encouraged by some professors there. And these professors were openly encouraging these students while they were terrorizing people.
    I said that not many people care about avoiding witch hunts. If someone doesn't want to avoid a witch hunt, it means that they want a witch hunt to happen.
     
  20. TLK Valentine

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    Are you accusing the professors of being cult leaders? Did they order the students to threaten Weinstein?

    Ah, then I misunderstood you. I was quite wrong.
     
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