Two Witnesses now preaching in Jerusalem

[shilohsfoal]

Hi DaDad, the paragraph structure, sentence length, spacing, arrangement of listed items, use of puntuation marks -- the hyphens, overall rationale, use of color highlighting, numbering of items, use of quotation marks, over all tone of the post - was all well done. Congratulations.

The five fallen were fallen at the time John received Revelation, in the first century - because the sixth king was ruling then. The Roman empire was definitely intact at the time. Not fallen - as you have noted. And if you put the first century sixth king ruling to be the United States - oops, 2000 years to early.

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In Daniel 7, the ten kings - who will eventually give their kingdom over to the beast in Revelation 17:17 - come out of the fourth kingdom - which the person called the little horn in Daniel 7 (not called the beast in Daniel 7, although it is the same person), comes up among those ten kings.

So that means the little horn person is of the 4th kingdom. There is no world power called the Roman Empire at present. Given that this is the parable of the fig tree generation - there must be an equivalent - which is the EU founded on the treaties of Rome, according to their own website.

Have you heard of the "pigs" ? Portugal, Ireland (could say Italy now), Greece, Spain. Those are the clay nations of the EU, because of their financial condition. There is also the cultural differences between the citizens of the different nations within the EU.
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The best approach for understanding the end times is track in the prophecies the progression of the arch villain.

That person is on two different tracks.

One is becoming the Antichrist - the illegitimate King of Israel.

The other is becoming the King of the Roman Empire.

In order to get the end time prophecies right - you have to get EVERYTHING matched up. The main two players - kingdomwise (earthly kingdoms) - are Israel, and the Roman Empire.

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I don't see the EU in your list? The little horn heads into the middle east, Daniel 8:9 from north and west of Israel.

Where's the oil, Dadad ? In the middle east, in the territories once controlled by the ancient 3 empire.

Following Gog/Magog, there will be a vacuum in the middle east nations, which the EU will come in and occupy - under the pretense of keeping peace in the regions. The EU will be the kingdom of the beast, that last 42 months.

The majority of the people who formed the country of Israel came from the north west into the middle east.

 

[shilohsfoal]

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-5.htm

Not many people talk about it much but it is a very common occurrence for fire to come out of someone's mouth to devour thier enemies.
It is a command used in the military.

It is also common for fire to come down,out of heaven in the sight of men after the command is given.

https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-13.htm

I fully expect these two witnesses will occupy Jerusalem from about a month after the Israeli conscription ends to the time the abomination of desolation is placed.

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-11.htm

 

[BABerean2]

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-5.htm

Not many people talk about it much but it is a very common occurrence for fire to come out of someone's mouth to devour thier enemies.
It is a command used in the military.

It is also common for fire to come down,out of heaven in the sight of men after the command is given.

https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-13.htm

I fully expect these two witnesses will occupy Jerusalem from about a month after the Israeli conscription ends to the time the abomination of desolation is placed.

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-11.htm

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Look for two men with limbs and leaves growing out of their bodies and they should be easy to find...

or watch the video below to see the reality of the symbols used in the Book of Revelation...

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[DaDad]

Hi DaDad, ... well done.

Thanks!

The five fallen were fallen at the time John received Revelation, in the first century ...

Actually, the verbiage is written in the "future-present tense". Furthermore, the commentators agree that the sequence of Roman Emperors DOES NOT agree with the presumption of an ancient fulfillment:

“[The] five of whom are fallen [presumes John’s work to be written in] Vespasian’s reign. Titus is to come, but only to last for a short time. Perhaps the writer knew of the hopeless condition of Titus’ health. He is therefore either using a literary convention, and assuming an earlier date than is the fact to give his words the force of a prophecy concerning Titus, or, more likely, his is using here material written in Vespasian’s reign which partly suits his purpose and partly not; for there are very good reasons for thinking that this book was written, not in Vespasian’s reign, but in Domitian’s.”

Eiselen, Frederick, Edwin Lewis, & David Downey, The Abingdon Bible Commentary, Abingdon Press, NY, 1929, p. 1392​

...come out of the fourth kingdom ...

Verse 45 says: Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE World Empires, of which the FIFTH is a "divided kingdom", -- as evidenced by our THREE Superpowers and the United Nations.

Don't you love it when Scripture and History AGREE?

DaDad

 

[DaDad]

... the ten kings ...

The Ten Kings are:

1. U.S. (eagle's wings), along with
2. U.K. (lion)*​

3. France
4. Russia (bear)*
5. China (leopard -- actually a "tiger") *

6. Germany (economic power)
7. Japan (economic power)
8. Brazil (regional representative for S. America)
9. Nigeria (regional representative for Africa)
10. India (regional representative for the Near East)

* Please note that the "dreadful" beast obtains the sovereignty of these THREE, which are represented in the Rev. 13 "beast" depiction.​

Now if you would be so kind as specify YOUR Ten Nations (kings).

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[shilohsfoal]

The Ten Kings are:

1. U.S. (eagle's wings), along with
2. U.K. (lion)*​

3. France
4. Russia (bear)*
5. China (leopard -- actually a "tiger") *

6. Germany (economic power)
7. Japan (economic power)
8. Brazil (regional representative for S. America)
9. Nigeria (regional representative for Africa)
10. India (regional representative for the Near East)

* Please note that the "dreadful" beast obtains the sovereignty of these THREE, which are represented in the Rev. 13 "beast" depiction.​

Now if you would be so kind as specify YOUR Ten Nations (kings).

Thanks,
DaDad

You don't have a single middle eastern nation mentioned even though prophecy is centered in the middle east.You must think Islam is full of saints.

 

[LastSeven]

Clearly Jesus agrees that Elijah is coming again and reaffirms that John came in the Spirit of Elijah.

I'm not sure if you're saying that John the Baptist was the fulfillment of that prophecy or not.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

I'm not sure if you're saying that John the Baptist was the fulfillment of that prophecy or not.

John was not Elijah to come but Jesus indicated that John came in the spirit of Elijah. It was a part of prophecy that has layers of fulfillment.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

The Ten Kings are:

1. U.S. (eagle's wings), along with
2. U.K. (lion)*​

3. France
4. Russia (bear)*
5. China (leopard -- actually a "tiger") *

6. Germany (economic power)
7. Japan (economic power)
8. Brazil (regional representative for S. America)
9. Nigeria (regional representative for Africa)
10. India (regional representative for the Near East)

* Please note that the "dreadful" beast obtains the sovereignty of these THREE, which are represented in the Rev. 13 "beast" depiction.​

Now if you would be so kind as specify YOUR Ten Nations (kings).

Thanks,
DaDad

hi the UN is the structure for the global government and the World Bank IMF bank of international settlements are creating the financial system. The EU is a group of nations and the control of the whole world comes under this system so the 10 kings will be the heads of 10 groups of nations such as the proposed American Union of US, Canada, Mexico. The 10 unions will cover the whole earth with in its system. African Union, Middle Eastern Union. You can do a little research on this idea and it is indeed part of the NWO plan.

 

[DaDad]

The Ten Kings are:

1. U.S. (eagle's wings), along with
2. U.K. (lion)*
3. France
4. Russia (bear)*
5. China (leopard -- actually a "tiger") *

6. Germany (economic power)
7. Japan (economic power)
8. Brazil (regional representative for S. America)
9. Nigeria (regional representative for Africa)
10. India (regional representative for the Near East)

* Please note that the "dreadful" beast obtains the sovereignty of these THREE, which are represented in the Rev. 13 "beast" depiction.
Now if you would be so kind as specify YOUR Ten Nations (kings).

You don't have a single middle eastern nation mentioned even though prophecy is centered in the middle east. ...

Maybe, just MAYBE, it's because THESE are the TEN Toes/Horns. If you want any other TEN nations, PLEASE feel free to make up any list you wish. But if you want Scripture and Fulfillment, then we're done.
Thanks,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

... The EU is a group of nations and the control of the whole world comes under this system ...

Ummmmm, NO. You can imagine anything thing you want in your own mind, but the reality is obviously different.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Douggg]

Verse 45 says: Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE World Empires, of which the FIFTH is a "divided kingdom", -- as evidenced by our THREE Superpowers and the United Nations.

The fourth empire in the end times when the Kingdom of God consumes all of the aforementioned kingdoms - partly clay and partly iron. So that is four kingdoms. The clay does not exist alone as independent kingdom.

 

[Douggg]

Now if you would be so kind as specify YOUR Ten Nations (kings).

It is unlikely to be ten nations. The ten kings - leaders, as I don't know what their actual title will be - will be over ten regions of the EU - not defined yet.

When they do come about - it is actually going to be secondary to the one person who will be over them - the little horn. That person is going to b a Jew, and have some sort of physical appearance of being very determined.

I am thinking that person will be elected broadly based across the EU, in similitude to the U.S. president.

 

[DaDad]

The ten kings ... not defined yet.

Perhaps EVERYTHING which disagrees with Scripture, is "not defined yet", and EVERYTHING which AGREES with Scripture is being FULFILLED as we speak.

Which of these categories do YOU fall under?

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

The fourth empire ...

... IS DEAD. Italy occupies that ancient geography.

If otherwise, then PLEASE explain the significance of the Intelligent Design of the verse 45 sequence: Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE, for which the FIFTH "divided kingdom" is apparently represented by the current THREE Superpowers and United Nations.

It's a simple request, -- PLEASE explain the significance of the Intelligent Design of the verse 45 sequence: Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE.


Or you can use an Exacto® knife, or Sharpie®, or simply tear the offending passage and associated page from your Bible.

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Douggg]

Perhaps EVERYTHING which disagrees with Scripture, is "not defined yet", and EVERYTHING which AGREES with Scripture is being FULFILLED as we speak.

Which of these categories do YOU fall under?

Thanks,
DaDad

I am in the category of watching the EU and see how things develop regarding the fulfillment of the ten kings and the little horn.

 

[Douggg]

If otherwise, then PLEASE explain the significance of the Intelligent Design of the verse 45 sequence: Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE, for which the FIFTH "divided kingdom" is apparently represented by the current THREE Superpowers and United Nations.

The four metals are not mixed with the other metals. The iron is mixed with the clay in the feet and toes. Not separate from the clay, as two separate kingdoms.

Look at the text again. kjv. Do you see in verse 41 - "fifth kingdom" ? Or do you read "the" kingdom, a continuation of "fourth kingdom" in verse 40?

40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

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Then going over to Daniel 7.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

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Being the Antichrist though is not being the leader of the fourth Kingdom - but becoming the illegitimate King of Israel.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Differently, as the little horn and the beast, those are functions of being the 7th and 8th king of the Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom; which in the end times is the EU.

 

[DaDad]

I ...

... have no idea.


To All, Please feel free to pick which ever TEN you wish, -- alphabetically, geographically, by GNP, nuclear nations, military strength, darts thrown on a map, -- just need TEN -- any TEN will do:

28 Member States
Austria
Belgium
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Ireland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Netherlands
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom

6 Candidate Countries
Albania
Iceland
Montenegro
Serbia
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
Turkey


2 Potential Candidates

Bosnia and Herzegovina
Kosovo
[1] http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/index_en.htm​

Thanks,
DaDad

 

[DaDad]

The four ...

Verse 45 says FIVE: Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE.
And actually, my Bible DOES have two pages torn from the book of Daniel, (by a "skeptic") so don't be embarrassed about tearing verse 45 from your Bible! People (especially "ministers") do it all the time.
Thanks,
DaDad

 

[Douggg]

Verse 45 says FIVE: Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE.
And actually, my Bible DOES have two pages torn from the book of Daniel, (by a "skeptic") so don't be embarrassed about tearing verse 45 from your Bible! People (especially "ministers") do it all the time.
Thanks,
DaDad

It does not say five "kingdoms. It lists five different earthly substances, that the image was made of.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.