Two posters say their opinion is from God, yet disagree. Now what?

[messianist]

What should readers conclude when two posters claim they got their position from God, yet they disagree?
1) One of the posters is right and the other is wrong? Which one?
2) Both of the posters are right? How can that be?
3) Both of the posters are wrong? Entirely possible.

I tend to go with number three.
But not having to do with what was said, but the fact that they said it.
If one claims to speak for God they are declaring themselves to be a prophet.
You better be 100 percent sure of what you are saying if you go there.

Do you believe that everyone is entitled to there opinion.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What should readers conclude when two posters claim they got their position from God, yet they disagree?
1) One of the posters is right and the other is wrong? Which one?
2) Both of the posters are right? How can that be?
3) Both of the posters are wrong? Entirely possible.

I tend to go with number three.
But not having to do with what was said, but the fact that they said it.
If one claims to speak for God they are declaring themselves to be a prophet.
You better be 100 percent sure of what you are saying if you go there.

One may only understand what is on the surface while another may understand a deeper truth. In Judaism there are 4 levels of understanding or meaning...PaRDeS

Peshat...surface literal meaning
Remez...deeper meaning than Peshat
Derash...to seek even deeper
Sod...the hidden or mystical meaning

 

[Saint Steven]

Doesn't Christianity acknowledge the existence of "other" supra-terrestrial Principalities & Powers that influence humans on earth?

I understand Christianity could accommodate such a situation by supposing, that one or both posters were being influenced by supra-natural "spiritual forces"... which they were confusing for The One True God in heaven

crudely stated, "un-God-ly supra-natural powers" (supposedly) exist

Thanks. That's an interesting angle to view this from. What kingdom benefits when two believes are at each others throats?

 

[Saint Steven]

I would compare it to what the Messiah + the Law & the Prophets say

What would that list of possible outcomes look like?
1) Your research indicates one of the posters is right and one is wrong.
2) Your research indicates both of the posters are right. Is this possible?
3) Your research indicates both of the posters are wrong. Are you right?

 

[Saint Steven]

Do you believe that everyone is entitled to there opinion.

Absolutely.
But when someone plays the "God" card to win the debate who really wins?

 

[messianist]

Absolutely.
But when someone plays the "God" card to win the debate who really wins?

My stance on that question is that a person is only allowed their opinion if they have full knowledge of the matter.

 

[messianist]

Absolutely.
But when someone plays the "God" card to win the debate who really wins?

In terms of scripture,

scripture is absolute truth no grey areas, as simple as black and white, right and wrong, those who are truly led except the truth and it richly dwells inside them.

we know them by there fruits.

Every Blessing

 

[Saint Steven]

In terms of scripture,

scripture is absolute truth no grey areas, as simple as black and white, right and wrong, those who are truly led except the truth and it richly dwells inside them.

we know them by there fruits.

Every Blessing

I agree that the Bible is truth.
But there are many gray areas and things we don't understand. IMHO

 

[Phil.Stein]

What should readers conclude when two posters claim they got their position from God, yet they disagree?
1) One of the posters is right and the other is wrong? Which one?
2) Both of the posters are right? How can that be?
3) Both of the posters are wrong? Entirely possible.

I tend to go with number three.
But not having to do with what was said, but the fact that they said it.
If one claims to speak for God they are declaring themselves to be a prophet.
You better be 100 percent sure of what you are saying if you go there.

bring out the stones.

 

[Not David]

Infallibility interpreting the entirety of Holy Scriptures would have solved many problems in history for Rome. Maybe the schism with the East.

Just a thought.

This was an issue about political authority, and it doesn't seems like your "Sola Scriptura" prevented the beginning of 30 thousand denominations

 

[redleghunter]

This was an issue about political authority, and it doesn't seems like your "Sola Scriptura" prevented the beginning of 30 thousand denominations

I thought it was 50 thousand.

 

[Saint Steven]

This was an issue about political authority, and it doesn't seems like your "Sola Scriptura" prevented the beginning of 30 thousand denominations

Why do you have such a problem with denominations?
Can the church not have thousands of denominations?

 

[anna ~ grace]

Why do you have such a problem with denominations?
Can the church not have thousands of denominations?

Well.... friend..... there are definitely Christians in every denomination, and sincere, humble, holy, and faithful souls who follow Christ every where.

But Church as a body of faith, practice, prayer, organization, succession, worship, tradition, authority, doctrines, theology, means of grace, and a refuge for sinners should mean something complete, singular, visible, and agreeing with itself.

We are all Christians. And that is good.

 

[lismore]

What should readers conclude when two posters claim they got their position from God, yet they disagree?

Given hugely complicated issues I would say it is possible for people to hold seemingly contrary viewpoints and yet for both to be right, even both inspired by God. God Bless

 

[lismore]

This was an issue about political authority, and it doesn't seems like your "Sola Scriptura" prevented the beginning of 30 thousand denominations

The number of denominations is not necessarily a weakness or a sign of weakness. It can be a great strength. There's an old saying about eggs and baskets.

For example, several of the denominations in my country have got themselves into huge dis-repute through scandals. Maybe in coming years they'll gain respectability. But in the meantime the other '2998' churches are still preaching the gospel with integrity and seeing souls saved. That's the bottom line, saving souls.

 

[Saint Steven]

Well.... friend..... there are definitely Christians in every denomination, and sincere, humble, holy, and faithful souls who follow Christ every where.

But Church as a body of faith, practice, prayer, organization, succession, worship, tradition, authority, doctrines, theology, means of grace, and a refuge for sinners should mean something complete, singular, visible, and agreeing with itself.

We are all Christians. And that is good.

The church as a "means of grace"?
Please explain what you mean by that. Thanks.

 

[Saint Steven]

Given hugely complicated issues I would say it is possible for people to hold seemingly contrary viewpoints and yet for both to be right, even both inspired by God. God Bless

I agree that this possible.
What I take issue with is people playing the "God" card to win a debate.
This is self-aggrandizement of the lowest order. Using God's name in a vain attempt to elevate themselves, or their opinion.

 

[anna ~ grace]

The church as a "means of grace"?
Please explain what you mean by that. Thanks.

Sure. Essentially, the Church as a body, structure, hospital in the spiritual sense, visible, One Space built like a city as it were (with structure, a physical presence, an entry), through which we receive grace, forgiveness, are made more holy, and are brought closer to Christ.

Sort of like, there is one New York City. It's a definite place. It has its own building, streets, laws, structures, character, vibe, boundaries, and borders. One might feel a deep affinity for the City, yet not be physically in it.

 

[fhansen]

The Church should be the center point of unity for the faith:

"Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Eph 4:3-6

 

[Saint Steven]

Sure. Essentially, the Church as a body, structure, hospital in the spiritual sense, visible, One Space built like a city as it were (with structure, a physical presence, an entry), through which we receive grace, forgiveness, are made more holy, and are brought closer to Christ.

Sort of like, there is one New York City. It's a definite place. It has its own building, streets, laws, structures, character, vibe, boundaries, and borders. One might feel a deep affinity for the City, yet not be physically in it.

So, you are saying that salvation is through the church? "... through which we receive grace..."

Earlier you wrote, "... there are definitely Christians in every denomination..."
If salvation is through the Church, how can this be? And what is your definition of a "Christian"? Especially as it pertains to those outside "the Church". (capital "C")