TWO BEASTS WITH AUTHORITY AND POWER

[Zao is life]

Two beasts with authority and power - one receiving its power, its seat and great authority from the dragon, and another which exercises all the authority and power of the first beast in its presence.

Revelation 13 says of the seven-headed beast that rises from the sea:

""And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like those of a bear, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him its power and its seat and great authority.

And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.
And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.
And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation."

Then the same chapter speaks of another beast:

"And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. And it had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.
And it exercises all the authority of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and those dwelling in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed." (Revelation 13:11-12)

EXERCISING ALL THE AUTHORITY OF THE FIRST BEAST

Does "exercising all the authority of the first beast before him" not speak of the seven-headed beast giving this authority to the beast that rises from the earth (in the way Joseph exercised all the authority of Pharaoh before him)?

If so, then this tells us that the beast risen from the earth will have higher status in the kingdom of the seven-headed beast than anyone else except the seven-headed beast, and we are told that this beast risen from the earth will cause all who dwell on the earth to erect an image to the seven-headed beast and to worship it. So this seems to mean that it will do the bidding of the seven-headed beast.

THE SEVEN-HEADED BEAST

Revelation 17 tells us about the seven-headed beast and its "heads", saying that there will be a total of seven kings/kingdoms, the 6th one of which existed when John received the Revelation.

The 7th kingdom is the kingdom of the 10 kings, who will be united, and will be of one mind. They will hand over all their own power and authority to the beast that ascends out of the abyss, who we are also told in Revelation 17 is the 8th king/kingdom. However, this 8th king/kingdom is one of the first seven, because one of those seven heads of the seven-headed beast had received a deadly wound to its head when it was wounded by the sword, and yet it "lived" again.

So since these ten kings are the 7th king/kingdom of the beast and therefore are "body-members" of the seven-headed beast that rose from the sea, then who are these 10 kings handing all their power and authority over to?

If we consider that the beast from the earth will exercise all the power and authority of the seven-headed beast before him, then surely it must be him to whom the ten kings are handing their power and authority over to?

We are told this beast risen from the earth has two horns like a lamb, yet speaks like a dragon. He does the bidding of the ten kings.

If this is the case, then it means that this beast risen from the earth is also the 8th king, and therefore the beast ascended out of the abyss (because Revelation 17 says that the 8th king is the beast ascended out of the abyss).

(Please note: I've said IF this is the case. I do not know the identity of these beasts).

So to summarize, if the above is the case, then it means that the dragon gives the 7th head of the 7th-headed beast (with its 10 kings) its seat, its power and great authority, and these 10 kings in turn hand over all their authority and power to the beast ascended out of the earth/abyss, who exercises all the authority and power of the 10 kings in their presence.

If this is the case, it means that the false prophet = the antichrist, because Revelation 17 tells us he is the 8th king, and the beast ascended out of the abyss, and goes to perdition.

 

[Timtofly]

So to summarize, if the above is the case, then it means that the dragon gives the 7th head of the 7th-headed beast (with its 10 kings) its seat, its power and great authority, and these 10 kings in turn hand over all their authority and power to the beast ascended out of the earth/abyss, who exercises all the authority and power of the 10 kings in their presence.

I doubt Satan is going to let any one do his job for him, once all the world sees him as he is. Satan gives power to the FP, the same FP found in Revelation 16 and 19. Satan is the beast out of the earth, the pit, the area under the earth. He will take back all the credit given to the FP.

 

[Douggg]

And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.
And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.
And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation."

The first beast had seven heads. On which of the heads was the mouth speaking great things?

 

[Douggg]

So since these ten kings are the 7th king/kingdom of the beast and therefore are "body-members" of the seven-headed beast that rose from the sea, then who are these 10 kings handing all their power and authority over to?

The ten kings are the ten horns on the the beast. Since they rule with the beast for one hour - the horns are on the head that was mortally wounded, but healed.

King 7 will be killed. And when comes back to life he is King 8.

The ten kings will hand their EU kingdom to the beast to be dictator. You can click on each illustration to zoom in and see the crowns on the horns better.

 

[Douggg]

I doubt Satan is going to let any one do his job for him, once all the world sees him as he is. Satan gives power to the FP, the same FP found in Revelation 16 and 19. Satan is the beast out of the earth, the pit, the area under the earth. He will take back all the credit given to the FP.

The false prophet is never worshiped.

The beast will be worshiped and the dragon Satan will be worshiped. v4

Satan will be worshiped by incarnating the statue image of the beast.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 

[Marilyn C]

Who is more fearful - Islam or the EU?

 

[Douggg]

Who is more fearful - Islam or the EU?

Islam is a religion. While the EU is kingdom of nations.

Regardless of that distinction, Islam will be supernaturally destroyed by God in the Gog/Magog event. And following, the middle east oil producing nations will be occupied by the EU, just like the Roman Empire did back in the days of the disciples.

If there were a direct all out war between the Islam nations in the middle east and the EU, no holds barred, the EU would win because of its arsenal of nuclear weapons - but the outfall of the radiation circumnavigating the planet - would probably mean the end to humanity.

Ezekiel 39 provides the infallible timeline framework for the end times. Which the muslims nations, and Islam are decimated in the Gog/Magog event and Gog's army buried in a mass grave site in Israel.

Then the 7 years, with no Islam factor, but EU factor, culminating with Armageddon in Ezekiel 39:17-20, and Jesus Himself speaking in the text in v21-29, having returned to this earth.

 

[Zao is life]

Who is more fearful - Islam or the EU?

Exactly. I would also ask which people consistently plan for an Islamic Caliphate that will incorporate all the former Roman Empire (both the Western and the Eastern parts) - the Arabs, the Turks, the Persians,

or the Europeans?

 

[Zao is life]

The first beast had seven heads. On which of the heads was the mouth speaking great things?

It would be the 7th head, because the 6th head was still reigning when John received the Revelation. Five had fallen, one existed, and the other had not yet come. John was told that the beast itself had existed at one time, did not exist when John received the Revelation, and would ascend out of the abyss - and the ten kings will hand all their own power and authority over to it - AND John is told that this beast is also the 8th king who is of the seven.

 

[Zao is life]

I doubt Satan is going to let any one do his job for him, once all the world sees him as he is. Satan gives power to the FP, the same FP found in Revelation 16 and 19. Satan is the beast out of the earth, the pit, the area under the earth. He will take back all the credit given to the FP.

I think Satan will lose his "credit" that people give him when the FP loses his.

 

[Zao is life]

The ten kings are the ten horns on the the beast. Since they rule with the beast for one hour - the horns are on the head that was mortally wounded, but healed.

King 7 will be killed. And when comes back to life he is King 8.

The ten kings will hand their EU kingdom to the beast to be dictator. You can click on each illustration to zoom in and see the crowns on the horns better.

* John was told in Revelation 17 that the sixth head existed when John received the Revelation. Five had fallen, one existed, and the other had not yet come.
* The ten kings are spoken of in Daniel 7 also. Therefore they can only be on the seventh head. They are not killed - they're handing over their power and authority to the beast ascended from the abyss, who is the 8th king.
* In Revelation 12 the crowns are on the heads of the dragon. In Revelation 13 the crowns have shifted to the ten horns; and in Revelation 13 it says the dragon will give the beast its seat, its power and great authority.
* The ten kings will reign with the beast for "one hour". In "one hour" Babylon the Great city falls when the ten kings, who hate her, render her "desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire".
* In Revelation 17 we are told that the ten kings will go to war against the Lamb but He will overcome them.

It is impossible that the 7th king is killed and comes back to life. It's not humans ascending out of the abyss - it's demons and fallen angels. These, with Satan, who is their king, are the spiritual power behind the rising of the final world empire (the beast), and this is why we are told the final world empire will rise from the abyss.

 

[Douggg]

* The ten kings are spoken of in Daniel 7 also. Therefore they can only be on the seventh head. They are not killed - they're handing over their power and authority to the beast ascended from the abyss, who is the 8th king.

You paraphrased that part in blue a little bit wrong. You should connect verse 11 with 8b, not 8a.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The part in italics is referring to the end times person who will be killed and come back to life.

It is impossible that the 7th king is killed and comes back to life. It's not humans ascending out of the abyss - it's demons and fallen angels. These, with Satan, who is their king, are the spiritual power behind the rising of the final world empire (the beast), and this is why we are told the final world empire will rise from the abyss.

The beast in the bottomless pit in 8a is an individual. Not a collection of angels and demons.

The beast that is in the bottomless pit is not a human, but like angels and demons had some human like attributes. It is the original serpent beast that was in the garden of eden, who reasoned and spoke, who's spiel was that Adam and Eve could be as "gods". The lie originated by Satan and voiced by the serpent, that will also be the lie of the beast.

"as gods" knowing good and evil. The implication of the serpent's lie is that as gods they could control the things that were good in their eyes i.e. pleasure they could enjoy, and the things that were evil to them - i.e. things unpleasant, painful they could abolish from experiencing. as gods, knowing how to control those things. Which they could gain that knowledge from eating from the tree.

Eve, beguiled by the lie, looked at the tree, assessed that it would be good food to eat, and was pleasing to the eye, i.e. appealing for pleasure. But when she and Adam ate of the tree - they realized that they had been duped, and the painful thing of sin came upon them and did not go away. Which they could not control.

Of course, it will not be the serpent coming back to life in his own resurrected body. He will ascend out of the bottomless pit as a unclean spirit to possess the end times person who will be killed, and comes back to life, a few days later.

 

[Douggg]

* In Revelation 12 the crowns are on the heads of the dragon. In Revelation 13 the crowns have shifted to the ten horns; and in Revelation 13 it says the dragon will give the beast its seat, its power and great authority.

"shifted" is not a good way to describe it, because the crowns were not moved from the heads to the horns.

In Revelation 12, there is the full 7 years in the text of Revelation 12, the 1260 days first half and the time/times/half time second half.

The crowns on the heads is because king 7 will have come to power completing the prophecy of the 7 kings, with the full 7 years left in the 70th week. In Revelation 13, with 42 months left in the 70th week, the heads don't have crowns because king 7 will have been killed, ending the prophecy of the 7 kings.

 

[Douggg]

It would be the 7th head, because the 6th head was still reigning when John received the Revelation.

okay, the 7th head will be the one speaking the great things. Of the 7 heads, which head will be the one mortally wounded and healed?

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[Douggg]

Exactly. I would also ask which people consistently plan for an Islamic Caliphate that will incorporate all the former Roman Empire (both the Western and the Eastern parts) - the Arabs, the Turks, the Persians,

or the Europeans?

Islam is a major factor leading up to Gog/Magog. But after Gog/Magog, not a part of the 70th week.

 

[BABerean2]

"shifted" is not a good way to describe it, because the crowns were not moved from the heads to the horns.

In Revelation 12, there is the full 7 years in the text of Revelation 12, the 1260 days first half and the time/times/half time second half.

The crown on the heads is because king 7 will have come to power completing the prophecy of the 7 kings, with the full 7 years left in the 70th week. In Revelation 13, with 42 months left in the 70th week, the heads don't have crowns because king 7 will have been killed, ending the prophecy of the 7 kings.

There is no 7 year period of time in the Book of Revelation, based on the return of Christ and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.


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[Douggg]

There is no 7 year period of time in the Book of Revelation, based on the return of Christ and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.


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There is no 7 year ? ...... period of time? ........ in the Book of Revelation? ....., based on the return of Christ ? .......and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18 ?

Is that what I wrote? No, there is the 7 years in Revelation 12, made up of the 1260 days, Revelation 12:6, followed by Satan cast down, persecuting Israel for the time/times/half time, Revelation 12:14.

To comply with the Ezekiel 39 infallible timeline framework for the end times. The 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army and burial in the mass grave site in Israel. With Armageddon at the end of those 7 years, and Jesus Himself speaking in the text of verses 21-29.

 

[Marilyn C]

Islam is a religion. While the EU is kingdom of nations.

Regardless of that distinction, Islam will be supernaturally destroyed by God in the Gog/Magog event. And following, the middle east oil producing nations will be occupied by the EU, just like the Roman Empire did back in the days of the disciples.

If there were a direct all out war between the Islam nations in the middle east and the EU, no holds barred, the EU would win because of its arsenal of nuclear weapons - but the outfall of the radiation circumnavigating the planet - would probably mean the end to humanity.

Ezekiel 39 provides the infallible timeline framework for the end times. Which the muslims nations, and Islam are decimated in the Gog/Magog event and Gog's army buried in a mass grave site in Israel.

Then the 7 years, with no Islam factor, but EU factor, culminating with Armageddon in Ezekiel 39:17-20, and Jesus Himself speaking in the text in v21-29, having returned to this earth.

Hi Dougie,

Now you will have to prove that all of the Islamic nations (nations/Political not just religious) will be in the coming war. Scripture only tells us that Iran/Persia is there. So...... proof?

 

[Marilyn C]

Exactly. I would also ask which people consistently plan for an Islamic Caliphate that will incorporate all the former Roman Empire (both the Western and the Eastern parts) - the Arabs, the Turks, the Persians,

or the Europeans?

Good Fullness, we are seeing some things the same.

But why the continual reference to Rome ( by many here) which God has dealt with centuries ago. It will not revive as God has dealt with it. Its government is gone, judged.

The rise of Islam as the `terrifying beast` is actually on the horizon and will come in by stealth, deception. (Dan. 8: 23 - 25)

 

[Douggg]

Hi Dougie,

Now you will have to prove that all of the Islamic nations (nations/Political not just religious) will be in the coming war. Scripture only tells us that Iran/Persia is there. So...... proof?

I would not say all of the Islamic nations. But it will be a significant number and size that Islam the religion which gets these nations stirred up against Israel will not be the same factor as it is now, following Gog/Magog.

Noahidism, as pushed by the rabbi's consider Islam monotheist therefore qualifying to be complying with Noahidism. While the rabbi's teach Christianity is not.

When Judaism's King of Israel/messiah is in place, any residual muslims could be included in his messianic age, by that concept. And any groups that rebel against his authority will be quickly dwelt with as the world will be saying peace and safety under his global agenda.

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We have to think of the Anti-Christ in terms of Jesus being the Christ, the one God sent to be the King of Israel, coming in the name of the Lord. But was rejected by his own people from being their King.

The Antichrist, thus has to be a Jew, meeting the expectations of what the Jews (Judaism) see of the messiah. His religion - Judaism. The craft which he practises - Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism.