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I think you will always run into trouble dissecting poetry with logic ... as for the scripture though, there seems little doubt that the body of Jesus lay in the tomb for three nights [unlike what sinners claim it obviously was not what we now call 'Friday, Jerusalem time' then] . As for the spirit we know it returned to God [or more accurately never left] :-

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I see nothing to gain by dissecting the words because they have to be pushed beyond their usual meaning to be used about the spirit... there are no words about the spirit because so few understand it.... so dissecting rather than looking for meaning is perhaps gonna lead one away from the Truth as often as it helps...

[size=+1]The Scripture passage says NOTHING about a tomb ...

With the Ten Words Decalogue we find the following command:

Exodus 20:22-24 KJV
22. And the Lord said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
23. Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
24. An altar of earth [HSN#127 'adamah] thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.


Original Strong's Ref. #127
Romanized 'adamah
Pronounced ad-aw-maw'
from HSN0119; soil (from its general redness):
KJV--country, earth, ground, husband[-man] (-ry), land.

The commandment is spoken from heaven and is therefore supernal.
If one has no altar of 'adamah then what shall he do when he arrives here:

Revelation 6:9-11
9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Despotes-Master, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11. And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be apokteino-slain as they were, should be fulfilled.


If one could see that the altar of 'adamah is the altar of the heart then perhaps the same might begin to understand the more difficult questions such three days and three nights; or how it was that the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes, in fact, slew Zechariah the son of Berechiah between the naos-temple and the altar even though he prophesied some 450 years before their time: yea, in fact, they beheaded him when they cut off his voice and all the prophets for whom they built such lavish tombs in putting away their voices far from themselves.
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there seems little doubt that the body of Jesus lay in the tomb for three nights [unlike what sinners claim it obviously was not what we now call 'Friday, Jerusalem time' then]

[size=+1]And as for ''sinners'' you also appear to have ''missed the Mark'' ~

That is to say you appear to have missed what is written in the Gospel of Mark. As for the body of Yeshua you assume too much if you think that is what he spoke of because a man is not his body. Do we at least agree that Palm Sunday was actually a Sunday or first day of the week? It could not have been a Shabbat because the religious rulers would have protested the taking up of the palm branches by the people on the Sabbath and obviously a Monday is not possible for the Triumphal Entry date. If we begin with the timeline provided in the Gospel of Mark, concerning the crucifixion week of the Passion of Yeshua, and we assume for the moment that Palm Sunday was, in fact, a Sunday; then the timeline of events provided in Mark preclude any possibility that Yeshua was crucified on either a Wednesday or a Thursday: The day of the crucifixion must therefore be a Friday just as is the most ancient tradition of the church fathers. The main reason for most of the debate over what day of the week the crucifixion occurred is because of the prophecy which Yeshua gives stating that he himself, the Son of man, would be ''three days and three nights in the heart of the earth'' just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale. However, the word used for ''heart'' in his prophetic statement is the Greek ''KARDIA'' from where the modern word ''cardiac'' is derived, (as ''cardiac arrest'' or ''heart attack'' meaning the physical heart which pumps the physical blood through the physical human body). The earth of which YHWH speaks in the OT-Tanak is generally divided into two categories which are the 'erets-land, (outer bounds, fields, or ''commons'' and thus representing the flesh) and the 'adamah-soil from which Adam was taken, (the inward soil of the kardia-heart in the Parable of the Sower). Therefore it is highly likely that the prophecy of the Son of man, Yeshua, being ''three days and three nights in the kardia-heart of the 'adamah-ge-earth'' has nothing to do with Yeshua being in a gravesite, sepulchre, or tomb, for the stated amount of time because the meaning also concerns our own cleansing-Atonement which is ''a time, times, and the half'' or ''three days and an hemisu'' (Revelation 11:8-9). If we remove the insistence that the body of Yeshua had to be in the grave three full days and three full nights, (because that is not what he meant in the first place) then the timeline of the week of the Passion of Yeshua falls into perfect order.

The Gospel of Mark Timeline

PALM SUNDAY

Mark 11:1-11 KJV
1. And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, unto Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, he sendeth forth two of his disciples,
2. And saith unto them, Go your way into the village over against you: and as soon as ye be entered into it, ye shall find a colt tied, whereon never man sat; loose him, and bring him.
3. And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.
4. And they went their way, and found the colt tied by the door without in a place where two ways met; and they loose him.
5. And certain of them that stood there said unto them, What do ye, loosing the colt?
6. And they said unto them even as Jesus had commanded: and they let them go.
7. And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.
8. And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strawed them in the way.
9. And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:
10. Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.
11. And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.


MONDAY

Mark 11:12-19 KJV
12. And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13. And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.
15. And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;
16. And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.
17. And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
18. And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.
19. And when even was come, he went out of the city.


TUESDAY

Mark 11:20-27 KJV
20. And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
21. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
22. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
24. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
25. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
27. And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders,


WEDNESDAY - THURSDAY

Mark 14:1 KJV
1. After two days was the feast of the Passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.


THURSDAY - SUNDOWN
(Friday on the Hebrew calendar)

Mark 14:12-17 KJV
12. And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the Passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
13. And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
14. And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
15. And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.
16. And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
17. And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.


In that night, Friday 14th Nisan, Yeshua was betrayed and arrested.
The next morning, still Friday 14th Nisan, Yeshua was tried and crucified at 9AM.

6:00 AM -~- First Hour
9:00 AM -~- Third Hour
12 Noon -~- Sixth Hour
3:00 PM -~- Ninth Hour

Mark 15:25-33 KJV
25. And it was the third hour, [9AM] and they crucified him.
26. And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27. And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.
28. And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.
29. And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30. Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
31. Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32. Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
33. And when the sixth hour was come, [12PM-Noon] there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour [3PM].

Amos 8:9-10 KJV
9. And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
10. And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.


We know therefore, by these and other Scriptures, that Yeshua arose early the first day of the week which is undisputedly the opening of a Sunday, (at least not many dispute that fact). Albeit in the very twilight of the first day of the week it was, which would have been immediately after sunset of the High Day Shabbat-Sabbath, the night before Sunday morning AM, (in Hebrew reckoning). It was somewhere in Twilight between the High Sabbath and the first day of the week that he arose, in the twilight and dawning or opening of a Sunday.

Matthew 28:1-2 KJV
1. In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn [twilight] toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2. And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

John 20:1 KJV
1. The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.


We know that the same Sabbath was an High Day, meaning that it was 15 Nisan, the Passover and first Holy Convocation of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and it fell on a normal weekly Sabbath which means that it was a full Saturday-Sabbath that the body of Yeshua was in the sepuchlre or tomb. Thereby we also may know that the Sabbath which Paul honored, preaching the Word every Sabbath day in the synagogues, would have been the same Sabbath day.

John 19:30-31 KJV
30. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
31. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Matthew 12:7-8 KJV
7. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8. For the Son of man is Master even of the Sabbath day.

The Son of man is Master of Shabbat -~- And in it He Rested


It was therefore a Friday, 14 Abib-Nisan according to the commandment, that Christ Yeshua was crucified as the Passover Lamb. Christ was buried-entombed at sundown of that same Friday evening and his body remained in the sepulchre-tomb through the High Shabbat 15 Nisan. And it was at the First-fruits of the Harvest that Christ arose from the dead, (Yeshua is the First-fruits Wave Sheaf Offering presented before the Father). First-fruits of that year then fell at the twilight dawning 16 Nisan which was the morrow after the Shabbat of Passover-Unleavened Bread, which was the dawning of the first day of the ''Sabbaton'' weeks, (of the counting of the Omer) which also happened to be the dawning of a Sunday, the first day of the regular week, (dawn meaning Hebrew calendar reckoning after sunset of Saturday evening). All told it was probably not more than about 25 hours total but indeed the Resurrection occurred IN the Third Day. Thus it includes probably about the space of half an hour of evening 14 Nisan, all 24 hours of the High Shabbat Passover of 15 Nisan, and about the space of half an hour, twilight, of the 16 Nisan twilight dawning of Sunday, (Shabbat-Saturday night after sunset).

Now if we could just figure out what Yeshua meant by ''three days and three nights'' in the ''kardia'' (heart) of the ''ge''-earth-soil-land-'adamah, (and sometimes Judaea). Planet Earth does not have a Greek KARDIA or heart. Only man-'adamah-soil-earth has that kind of kardia-blood-pumping-heart. Jonah was indeed three literal days and three literal nights in the belly of the whale, (a living creature). However, the Son of man was not in the heart of planet Earth and neither did he state that he would be, for the planet has no kardia and the sepulchre-tomb was not earthen but rather hewn out from the solid rock, (Matthew 27:60). It is the prophetic Jonah statement of ''three days and three nights'' which is catastrophically misunderstood.
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[size=+1]And a man is not his body but rather a nephesh-soul …
And the living nephesh-soul resides in the blood …
And the blood was poured out at the Cross …
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And a man is not his body but rather a nephesh-soul …

Nay, the soul is CREATED by the spirit

the spirit of a man alone is of God, indestructible as God

by the spirit is man resurrected

the soul [life] ends at death :-


Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath['ruah, spirit] of life; and man became a living soul.


----there is no soul without the spirit , yet the spirit lives without a soul...


Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 
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The day of the crucifixion must therefore be a Friday just as is the most ancient tradition of the church fathers.

By Jesus' own authority as the ONLY head of his church [yielding that not even to Peter as he has said] there is only one Father in the church of God, so the church with church fathers is not the church of God :-

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

the traditions of men are corrupted of necessity according to Jesus himself , the churches of men's tradition of mass religion of sinners will unite in worship of a false god created by Satan, no less- Rev 13:3-4 - only some 2,000 saints still alive and 120,000 dead saints [Rev 7:3-8. Jude1:14] will escape death for a thousand years and more for this outrage of man by false tradition against God and themselves...

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

thus, unlike the currently-divided countless churches of diverse traditions of men, which by simple logic cannot be the ONE Truth of God, God Himself teaches ALL His FEW saints by spirit baptism ... sinners however cannot get baptised of the spirit, so teach sinners in so-called priest schools , blind leading the blind to hell for only death can free such from sin...Rom 6:7
 
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I think anyone can see that Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster , whether complete nights or part nights is not relevant here ...

there simply are not three nights of any description or twisting of words between Friday and Sunday... count for yourself

but do not despair, most folks do not care , they believe all lies of modern mass religion of sinners by tradition, by habit ... they will follow to death and hell and even some will sin in the new earth, in the kingdom of God a, and be thrown into the final baptism of fire in the lake of fire... to repent eventually having still faith in Love built within, the enduring mercy of God for those whorepent fully at any time in up to three lives before death must be denied [to prevent repeated suicide for shame in men of not Loving as their conscience from Adam advised]


Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
 
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I think anyone can see that Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster , whether complete nights or part nights is not relevant here ...

there simply are not three nights of any description or twisting of words between Friday and Sunday... count for yourself

but do not despair, most folks do not care , they believe all lies of modern mass religion of sinners by tradition, by habit ... they will follow to death and hell and even some will sin in the new earth, in the kingdom of God a, and be thrown into the final baptism of fire in the lake of fire... to repent eventually having still faith in Love built within, the enduring mercy of God for those whorepent fully at any time in up to three lives before death must be denied [to prevent repeated suicide for shame in men of not Loving as their conscience from Adam advised]


Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

[size=+1]If your mindset will not allow you to accept the timeline of the week of the Passion, having been written in the Gospel of Mark, then what does that say for you? Loose your paradigm of the eyes of the flesh; go purchase eye salve from Yeshua, and wash your eyes so that you may begin to see. However, at least you shew fruit one way or the other in spite of the fact that you roam around calling people sinners who disagree with you:

Matthew 12:33 KJV
33. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.


Yet you appear to be wanting when it comes to the patient endurance and faith of the saints; for to assume yourself already to have arrived at your destination, and to have already apprehended, is a particular mindset which implies that one may be deceiving himself according to the Scripture:

Philippians 3:10-15 KJV
10. That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11. If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14. I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.


The three days and three nights of Atonement-purging-cleansing-sprinkling will come if indeed you do overcome in your hour of trial which comes upon the whole world as a snare, (each in his own appointed times). And the Master will come: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. However there is one to come who shall not tarry; for the Master already commanded him when he said: 'That thou doest, do quickly!' and that one knoweth that he has but a short time.

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35. Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


Three days and the hemisu are yet future; Remember Lot's wife in that great and terrible day: No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of YHWH. And as Micaiah said; Behold, thou shalt see in that day, when thou shalt go into an inner chamber to hide thyself!
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Nay, the soul is CREATED by the spirit

the spirit of a man alone is of God, indestructible as God

by the spirit is man resurrected

the soul [life] ends at death :-


Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath['ruah, spirit] of life; and man became a living soul.


----there is no soul without the spirit , yet the spirit lives without a soul...


Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

[SIZE=+1]Your foundation is based upon a lie:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Genesis 2:7 TUA[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]7. Wayiytser YHWH 'Elohiym 'et- ha'adam `apar min-ha'damah wayipach b'apayw nishmat chayiym wayhiy ha'adam lnepesh chayah.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Genesis 2:7 KJV[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]7. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed [HSN#5301 naphach] into his nostrils the breath [HSN#5397 nshamah] of life; [HSN#2416 chay] and man became a living [HSN#2416 chay] soul [HSN#5315 nephesh].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #5315[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Romanized nephesh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Pronounced neh'-fesh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from HSN5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]KJV--any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead(-ly), desire, X [dis-]contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-)self, them (your)-selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #2416[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Romanized chay[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Pronounced khah'-ee[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from HSN2421; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]KJV-- + age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #5301[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Romanized naphach[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Pronounced naw-fakh'[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]a primitive root; to puff, in various applications (literally, to inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire; figuratively, to disesteem):[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]KJV--blow, breath, give up, cause to lose [life], seething, snuff.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #5397[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Romanized nshamah[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Pronounced nesh-aw-maw'[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from HSN5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]KJV--blast, (that) breath(-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]HSN#7307 ''Ruwach'' is found NOWHERE in the creation of man from Genesis 2:7. One does not receive the regeneration of Holy Ruwach-Wind-Spirit until he first die and is then born from above, (John 3:1-8). However; this thread does not concern Bipartite man -vs- Tripartite man (which is an extremely large debate) so please take that third voice with you and start a new thread for that discussion.[/SIZE] :)
 
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If your mindset will not allow you to accept the timeline of the week of the Passion, having been written in the Gospel of Mark, then what does that say for you? Loose your paradigm of the eyes of the flesh; go purchase eye salve from Yeshua, and wash your eyes so that you may begin to see. However, at least you shew fruit one way or the other in spite of the fact that you roam around calling people sinners who disagree with you:

Matthew 12:33 KJV
33. Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Yet you appear to be wanting when it comes to the patient endurance and faith of the saints; for to assume yourself already to have arrived at your destination, and to have already apprehended, is a particular mindset which implies that one may be deceiving himself according to the Scripture:

Philippians 3:10-15 KJV
10. That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11. If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14. I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

The three days and three nights of Atonement-purging-cleansing-sprinkling will come if indeed you do overcome in your hour of trial which comes upon the whole world as a snare, (each in his own appointed times). And the Master will come: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. However there is one to come who shall not tarry; for the Master already commanded him when he said: 'That thou doest, do quickly!' and that one knoweth that he has but a short time.

Hebrews 10:35-39 KJV
35. Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Three days and the hemisu are yet future; Remember Lot's wife in that great and terrible day: No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of YHWH. And as Micaiah said; Behold, thou shalt see in that day, when thou shalt go into an inner chamber to hide thyself!

LOADS of WORDS and NONE change the FACT that there are only TWO nights between Friday and Sunday , nor can they of course...

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Luke 11:29 ... This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Luke 11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

Bizarre really to me that folks cannot even see what is written before their eyes when they do not want to believe it... but making 2=3 , only the churches of sinners would even try , in vain attempt to pretend Jesus was not celebrating Passover the night before his death... [whereas the Jews were keeping it a day late ever since their captivity caused the apostasy of Judaism to increase dramatically ] ... hence the massive confusion of folks who cannot see what is written [who actually need 'eye-salve' to even see what is in black and white in front of their noses] about which day was annual sabbath and which day was weekly sabbath in the week Jesus died... [and hence on which day the women bought spices upon... for the usual dressing with ointment of the supposed dead body of Jesus in the tomb]
 
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[SIZE=+1]Your foundation is based upon a lie:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Genesis 2:7 TUA[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]7. Wayiytser YHWH 'Elohiym 'et- ha'adam `apar min-ha'damah wayipach b'apayw nishmat chayiym wayhiy ha'adam lnepesh chayah.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Genesis 2:7 KJV[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]7. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed [HSN#5301 naphach] into his nostrils the breath [HSN#5397 nshamah] of life; [HSN#2416 chay] and man became a living [HSN#2416 chay] soul [HSN#5315 nephesh].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #5315[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Romanized nephesh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Pronounced neh'-fesh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from HSN5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]KJV--any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead(-ly), desire, X [dis-]contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-)self, them (your)-selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #2416[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Romanized chay[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Pronounced khah'-ee[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from HSN2421; alive; hence, raw (flesh); fresh (plant, water, year), strong; also (as noun, especially in the feminine singular and masculine plural) life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]KJV-- + age, alive, appetite, (wild) beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #5301[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Romanized naphach[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Pronounced naw-fakh'[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]a primitive root; to puff, in various applications (literally, to inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire; figuratively, to disesteem):[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]KJV--blow, breath, give up, cause to lose [life], seething, snuff.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Original Strong's Ref. #5397[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Romanized nshamah[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Pronounced nesh-aw-maw'[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]from HSN5395; a puff, i.e. wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. or (concretely) an animal:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]KJV--blast, (that) breath(-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]HSN#7307 ''Ruwach'' is found NOWHERE in the creation of man from Genesis 2:7. One does not receive the regeneration of Holy Ruwach-Wind-Spirit until he first die and is then born from above, (John 3:1-8). However; this thread does not concern Bipartite man -vs- Tripartite man (which is an extremely large debate) so please take that third voice with you and start a new thread for that discussion.[/SIZE] :)

only a slip of the pen my friend, no need for your wild accusations , should have read 'nashamah' [spirit] , not 'ruah' [spirit] ... humble apologies for the somewhat insignificant easy mistake ... please try to be less extreme :pray:
 
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only a slip of the pen my friend, no need for your wild accusations , should have read 'nashamah' [spirit] , not 'ruah' [spirit] ... humble apologies for the somewhat insignificant easy mistake ... please try to be less extreme :pray:

[size=+1]No worries! However, unfortunately, that does not explain the three of four other places where you have already posted the very same ''slip of the pen''…[/size] :)

Shalom Daq,

I just wanted to let you know, I'm still reading and still learning, and this last post you posted I have seen too.

Thank you for continuing to share.

Blessings

[SIZE=+1]Peace-Shalom 2KnowHim ~ Once again thank you for your kindness, and I truly would like to hear about what you have been shown, (if and when you are prepared to share such things). There are two emails, one here and one there, where you may reach me if you feel compelled to do so. Seems you might like stories about trees:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Once upon a Patmos of Yavan there was an olive tree of the Olea Europaea genos which came to be a great and mighty dendron. Now this kind of wild olive may be planted three or four together at one time and they four will grow up twisted together into one great and mighty tree. And this tree requires not much water; for the tree generally grows in a dry soil, and the particular genos in question was of the brand Alexander. So Alexander Yavan had no great abundance of water about him like the trees of Assyria, which grow by the great waters of Assyria, for his station was the island of Patmos of Yavan; and yet this Alexander Yavan grew up with speed, and very soon became a mighty one of the island: until at last his pinnacle reached unto the bottom of the clouds of heaven and tickled the feet of the Most High, (the clouds are the dust of his feet). And the tree grew so mighty that every creature beneath him was shaded from the sun; and every creature beneath him began to languish, for Alexander Yavan took also and drank up all of the waters for himself. And so the day came when the seven holy Watchers came before the Most High to inquire what should be done; for Alexander Yavan had changed the ordinance and transgressed the command of the Most High: for he had begun to sap the life from everything around him and beneath him, and was now exalting himself over the weaker elements of his dominion.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]And the holy Watchers spoke, and said unto the Almighty: O Most High; Creator of the heavens, and of the earth, and of all that is therein: Alexander Yavan, Olea Europaea, has transgressed the command and changed the ordinances in casting his seed where it ought not to grow in the watery soils of the land; and now he doth exalt his bough over all the land, and the inhabitants thereof do suffer under the overbearing burden of the Giant and his prodigy. And thus said the Most High unto the holy Watchers: Strike him at the upper bough, in the time appointed, and let his dominion be divided toward the four winds of the heavens; even to the four branches of the four tetrarchs of his realm: And in his latter days, when his time is full come to the ripening; I will settle with him and all the branches of his dominion which spring up in their day. For this one hath said in his heart; I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of 'El: I will sit also upon the mount of the mow`ed-congregation, in Zion, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High. And yet this one hath made the earth to tremble and shaken the kingdoms; and made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; and moreover he openeth not the house of his prisoners. Therefore prepare slaughter for his children; for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities again.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]And so there came to pass the first appointed time of Alexander Yavan, Olea Europaea, and a Watcher and a holy one came down out of heaven: And a great bolt of white light was cast into the upper bough of Alexander Yavan; and the bough of his top was rent asunder, and it split into four notable branches until a season and a latter appointed time. Yet with all of this the root of Alexander Yavan was not killed outright: So the four notable branches over time began to twist together once again; toward a compact of one, toward the latter appointed time…[/SIZE]
 
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[SIZE=+1]No worries! However, unfortunately, that does not explain the three of four other places where you have already posted the very same ''slip of the pen''…[/SIZE] :)

Lol :) ... I know, my memory is not so good these days, I forgot the actual Hebrew word and put the one I thought was there without checking , and having done it once I did it again... but the truth is it hardly makes any difference to the main thrust of that particular discussion, as both words mean 'spirit' although with many more subtle implications in Hebrew ... it was a sloppy error but did no harm to the discussion at that point, I apologise and will perhaps manage to make my brain check more often in future ...we all get old eventually if life is not taken ... little harm done I hope :)
 
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Shalom Daq,

LOL, how could you possibly know that I like stories about trees?
You are right, of course I do.

Trees of Righteousness, The Planting of the Lord.

Did I mention somewhere on here that, I didn't believe that those trees in the Garden were just literal fruit trees, but people? I know that I have on other sites but I didn't realize I had mentioned it on here.


Blessings
 
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Shalom Daq,

LOL, how could you possibly know that I like stories about trees?
You are right, of course I do.

Trees of Righteousness, The Planting of the Lord.

Did I mention somewhere on here that, I didn't believe that those trees in the Garden were just literal fruit trees, but people? I know that I have on other sites but I didn't realize I had mentioned it on here.


Blessings

Oh by the way, I have also been reading on your site, Love it, Love it.
You are very Blessed in deed.

[size=+1]Shalom 2KnowHim ~
Although you may have a female gender icon should a brother not visit upon his brother? And truly even more so if one appears to be in the process of truly becoming a son. And if you are gleaning from that which the Master has bestowed upon me then indeed you do visit upon me also, (and I appreciate that also as iron sharpens iron). Therefore I searched you out; and yes indeed, I saw where they cut you off at the voice box and slew you between the naos-temple and the altar. And yet I found therein the story of the Three Trees and what a delight it was! :)

Matthew 5:8-12 ASV
8. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.
10. Blessed are they that have been persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11. Blessed are ye when men shall reproach you, and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets that were before you.
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[size=+1]1 John 3:11-15 ASV
11. For this is the message which ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another:
12. not as Cain was of the evil one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13. Marvel not, brethren, if the world hateth you.
14. We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not abideth in death.
15. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
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I am Blessed.

And yes, they did cut me off for sure.
I appreciate your words and recognition of "Sonship" in me.
I was just talking to someone last night about this very thing.

I have felt the wrath of the Dragon more times than I care to remember. Right now I'm banned on another site till the 9th, no one seems to want to hear "The Good New" anymore, Only what they have already been taught.

But like I was saying last night, it's about listening to Every Word that proceeds from His mouth, that causes us to Live, Truly Live.

The Lord Bless you
And keep you.
 
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I am Blessed.

And yes, they did cut me off for sure.
I appreciate your words and recognition of "Sonship" in me.
I was just talking to someone last night about this very thing.

I have felt the wrath of the Dragon more times than I care to remember. Right now I'm banned on another site till the 9th, no one seems to want to hear "The Good New" anymore, Only what they have already been taught.

But like I was saying last night, it's about listening to Every Word that proceeds from His mouth, that causes us to Live, Truly Live.

The Lord Bless you
And keep you.

[SIZE=+1]Every priest has a rod; and the same rod is a dragon whether he be a priest under the headship of Christ Yeshua, (by the order of Melchizedek) or whether he be a priest under the headship which is Pharaoh king of Egypt and the mind of the flesh. As for the priest who is under the headship of Yeshua: his rod is a rod of iron like his Master and that rod of iron is Torah and all the Word. As for the priest which is under the headship of Pharaoh king of Egypt and the mind of the flesh: his rod is also a rod of iron but derives from the sorceries and incantations of the machinations of his own imagination. And herein is the difference between the two priesthoods: when they cast their rods upon the earth they do both become tanniyn-dragons; yet the rod of the righteous Word of Torah will always devour the dragons of the sorcerer priests of Pharaoh. Therefore speak the Word in Truth and uprightness; keep it perfect before the Master and perfect in your heart: Be ye perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect, treat his Word with respect and do not use it for your own gain or to promote anything preconceived in your own imagination. And know this for certain: When you cast your rod upon the earth and your dragon devours all of their dragons; they have no other choice at that point but to cut you off, though it is not you or I who will accomplish such a things, for the Father is true to his Word and it shall not return unto him void. And if they kill then it was because their hearts were already harboring murder and you did indeed serve a purpose among them so long as you have spoken the truth from love.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The Rod of Moses[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Exodus 4:1-5[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]1. And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, Not hath appeared unto thee YHWH![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]2. And said unto him YHWH, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]3. And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a nachash-serpent; and fled Moses from before it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]4. And said YHWH unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]5. That they may believe that hath appeared unto thee YHWH 'Elohey of their fathers, 'Elohey of Abraham, 'Elohey of Isaac, and 'Elohey of Jacob![/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]The Rod of Aaron[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Exodus 7:8-13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]8. And spake YHWH unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]9. When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a tanniyn-dragon.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]10. And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as YHWH had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a tanniyn-dragon.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]11. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]12. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became tanniyn-dragons: but the rod of Aaron devoured-destroyed their rods.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]13. And he hardened the heart of Pharaoh, that he hearkened not unto them; as YHWH had said.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Shalom-Peace![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]In Yeshua!! :)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]… . …[/SIZE]
 
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Thank you so much for this, it will not soon be forgotten, that was amazing, and so true.

Blessings

You're welcome! :) Also the sorcerers of Pharaoh cast tanniyn-dragons of the Nile River kind; Always eating yet never truly digesting what they consume: ''Into the mouth and out through the draught'' like bottomless pits; until finally they grow into great evil beasts, good for nothing but fouling the waters for everyone else. As Cretans they are always liars; slow bellies, whose god is the mind of the belly of the flesh. The ancient one with an exalted countenance, he is the head; and the false prophet teaching lies, he is the tail, (Isaiah 9:15). The same false prophet tail of the dragon hales a third part of the stars of heaven and casts them into the earth.

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Original Strong's Ref. #3581
Romanized koach
Pronounced ko'-akh
or (Dn.11v6) kowach {ko'-akh}; from an unused root meaning to be firm; vigor,
literally (force, in a good or a bad sense) or figuratively (capacity, means, produce);
also (from its hardiness) a large lizard:
KJV--ability, able, chameleon, force, fruits, might, power(-ful), strength, substance, wealth.

Daniel 8:21-24
21. And the male goat shaggy-sa`iyr-satyr is the king of Yavan: and the great horn that is betwixt his eyes is the first king.
22. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up beneath it, four dominions shall stand up out of the gowy-people-nation, but not in his koach-power.
23. And in the latter time of their dominion, when the transgressors are come to the full, shall stand up a king of fierce-Az countenance, and understanding dark sentences.
24. And his koach-power shall be mighty, but not by his own koach-power: and with wonders he shall corrupt, and shall push forward, and act, and shall corrupt the mighty and the holy people.
 
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