Trump's win will be bigger than expected

[A_Thinker]

Sorry if you suffer from this condition.
Best vote Trump 2020.
He can probably help you.
M

He'd best tend to his own issues.

He's going to have a few ...

 

[The Barbarian]

Poverty in the black community reduced more in the 20 years before the Great Society than after.

Well, let's take a look...

Chart: History of Poverty in Black American Families | BlackDemographics.com

There were two significant drops in black poverty rate since the 1960s. The first was Johnson's Great Society programs, and the second was during the Clinton administration, partially because of the recovery,but later in his administration, because of welfare reform that tied welfare benefits to provided job training. The republicans fought it, even shutting down the government to force Clinton to give up, but he eventually won. And the rate went from about 3x the general rate, to about 2x the general rate,which it has remained since.

If you are referencing Bill Clinton in paying down debt he did so only because he had a Republican Congress the last six years of his Presidency who forced a more or less balanced budget on him.

Your rewrite of history isn't accurate. Clinton held out, and forced the republicans to do it his way. Newt Gingrich overplayed his hand, leading to this cover that summed up what Americans thought:

Republicans folded, and Clinton got the budget he demanded. And of course, he managed to thereby pay down some of the debt. Would you like to see how the deficits have varied over different administrations?

If republicans were able to reduce deficits, I would think they'd be able to do it much easier when they had control of the WH and Congress. But those time, they ballooned deficits.

 

[The Barbarian]

He'd best tend to his own issues.

He's going to have a few ...

Court documents made public on Monday revealed that the New York State attorney general’s office is conducting a wide-ranging investigation into alleged financial improprieties at President Trump’s real estate company and is accusing the business of trying to stall the probe.

The investigation has looked at a series of signature Trump properties, including Trump Seven Springs, a sprawling 213-acre estate in Westchester County, N.Y.; the 40 Wall Street office tower in Manhattan’s financial district; an office tower in Chicago; and the president’s golf club in Los Angeles. The investigators are trying to determine whether the Trump Organization reported the forgiveness of more than $100 million in loans in connection with the Chicago office tower as income, what tax benefits Trump claimed for multimillion-dollar conservation easements granted at Seven Springs and the L.A. golf club, and the details of a 2015 refinancing of the office building on Wall Street.

The court documents also indicate that, despite some initial cooperation, investigators for the office have run into a wall of opposition from Trump Organization officials and their lawyers. Specifically, the investigators say the Trump Organization has refused to produce documents to show how the conservation easement at Seven Springs was treated on federal tax returns, hid a raft of documents behind dubious claims of privilege, identified witnesses who turned out to have no firsthand knowledge of the matters under investigation, and refused entirely to produce a key witness — the president’s son Eric, who took over operations of the Trump Organization in 2017, after his father became president.
New York attorney general unveils investigation into Trump company's finances

Bank and tax fraud are only two of his possible problems. He really, really needs to win another term; if he's out in January, things are going to be pretty grim for him.

 

[The Barbarian]

The US has better access to Healthcare, in large part because the market is still somewhat in play here.

Well, let's take a look...

At the time of the paper, Canada was devoting about 10% of its GDP to health care versus 16% in the U.S. While spending less, Canada managed a significantly lower infant mortality rate, and higher life expectancy. The authors attempted to explain these negative findings by first noting that low birthweight is associated with high infant mortality, and then offering this analysis, “Low birthweight-a phenomenon known to be related to substance abuse and smoking-is more common in the U.S. For babies in the same birthweight range, infant mortality rates in the two countries are similar. In fact, if Canada had the same proportion of low birthweight babies as the U.S., the authors project that it would have a slightly higher infant mortality rate.”


Moving next to the troublesome issue of life expectancy, they declared, “The gap in life expectancy among young adults is mostly explained by the higher rate of mortality in the U.S. from accidents and homicides. At older ages much of the gap is due to a higher rate of heart disease-related mortality in the U.S. With such a disease, it is necessary to take with caution. While this could be related to better treatment of heart disease in Canada, factors such as the U.S.’s higher obesity rate (33 percent of U.S. women are obese, vs. 19 percent in Canada) surely play a role.”


That the NBER economists could present such arguments with a straight face well illustrates the remarkable disconnect between cause and effect, prevention and intervention, and scientific progress versus human progress in the U.S. health care system and its Medical-Industrial Complex. Eight years later Canada would boast a life expectancy of 82.2 years and an infant mortality rate of 4.9/1000 live births versus U.S. numbers of 79.3 years and 6.5/1000 live births. It should be noted as well that the per capita health care expenditure in Canada at the time was $5,292 compared to $9,403 in the U.S.
Canada vs. U.S. Health - Report Card - HealthCommentary

 

[The Barbarian]

It is an old battle in the US, since the beginning. But during this age, the Democrats are in a lose-lose situation. They have less federal power and fewer funds from the feds. Give the conservatives some of what they want: less federal money redistributed among the states, and more responsibilities moved to the state and local levels.

Or maybe we could just start to wean the red states off of welfare. That would work.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Well, let's take a look...

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Chart: History of Poverty in Black American Families | BlackDemographics.com

There were two significant drops in black poverty rate since the 1960s. The first was Johnson's Great Society programs, and the second was during the Clinton administration, partially because of the recovery,but later in his administration, because of welfare reform that tied welfare benefits to provided job training. The republicans fought it, even shutting down the government to force Clinton to give up, but he eventually won. And the rate went from about 3x the general rate, to about 2x the general rate,which it has remained since.



Your rewrite of history isn't accurate. Clinton held out, and forced the republicans to do it his way. Newt Gingrich overplayed his hand, leading to this cover that summed up what Americans thought:

Republicans folded, and Clinton got the budget he demanded. And of course, he managed to thereby pay down some of the debt. Would you like to see how the deficits have varied over different administrations?

If republicans were able to reduce deficits, I would think they'd be able to do it much easier when they had control of the WH and Congress. But those time, they ballooned deficits.

Your chart is irrelevant because as I said, black poverty reduced more BEFORE welfare than after it.

Spare me your revisionist history of the 90s. The Republicans pushed a balanced budget amendment and line item veto in direct opposition to decades of failed Democrat Congresses and budgets. Newt and Clinton had their battles but Gingrich got more of what he wanted, including a largely balanced budget. Keep in mind it is Congress that has the power of the purse not the President.

 

[The Barbarian]

Your chart is irrelevant because as I said, black poverty reduced more BEFORE welfare than after it.

The Great Society programs were implemented after 1965. See the chart above. You're wrong there, too.

Spare me your revisionist history of the 90s. The Republicans pushed a balanced budget amendment and line item veto in direct opposition to decades of failed Democrat Congresses and budgets.

I thought you knew...

There was no quick and easy solution to the dispute in 1995-96, either. Each side was certain that the public would back them. As it turned out, Gingrich and the GOP lost that particular bet. Polls at the time showed that the public put the blame on the House speaker and his party and that they wanted the government operating again.

Cracks formed in the Republican solidarity, and in a session of Congress held on New Year's Eve, Republican Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole of Kansas signaled that the fight was over for his fellow Republicans.

"We ought to end this," Dole said on the Senate floor. "I mean, it's gotten to the point where it's a little ridiculous as far as this senator is concerned."

The government reopened days later. It was widely seen as a setback for the GOP, and the shutdown of 1995-96 became known as a cautionary tale for years to come.
The Longest Government Shutdown In History, No Longer — How 1995 Changed Everything

 

[Redwingfan9]

The Great Society programs were implemented after 1965. See the chart above. You're wrong there, too.
In 1900 80% of blacks lived in poverty. In 1940 it was 60% and it was down to 40% in 1960. The so-called great society at best reduced it 10 points but it has languished around 30% for decades with a handful of moments when it has dropped further due to good economies. There is actually very little evidence that the great society did anything for blacks that wasn't already well underway without it.


I thought you knew...

There was no quick and easy solution to the dispute in 1995-96, either. Each side was certain that the public would back them. As it turned out, Gingrich and the GOP lost that particular bet. Polls at the time showed that the public put the blame on the House speaker and his party and that they wanted the government operating again.

Cracks formed in the Republican solidarity, and in a session of Congress held on New Year's Eve, Republican Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole of Kansas signaled that the fight was over for his fellow Republicans.

"We ought to end this," Dole said on the Senate floor. "I mean, it's gotten to the point where it's a little ridiculous as far as this senator is concerned."

The government reopened days later. It was widely seen as a setback for the GOP, and the shutdown of 1995-96 became known as a cautionary tale for years to come.
The Longest Government Shutdown In History, No Longer — How 1995 Changed Everything

 

[mark46]

Or maybe we could just start to wean the red states off of welfare. That would work.

FEDERAL "MONEY ISSUES"
My "idea" is straightforward. Restore Obamacare and include the public option, so that states can more easily do as they wish. All insurance policies would again be prohibited from penalizing those with preconditions. And, yes, there are several proposals in the Senate to require more competition in the pricing of drugs, and allowing insurance companies to have policies in other states, subject to state law. And yes, I would reverse the tax cut, although much of it COULD be left in place if there were a 10% Alternative Minimum Tax for corporations.

So, Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare and Medicaid would be maintained.

Yes, we should pay payroll taxes on all our income, not none as is Trump's proposal.

There is no bankruptcy. The feds should lock in 30 and 40 year bonds at current rates, below expercted inflation rates.
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STATE vs FEDERAL ISSUES
States need to make more of the decisions and do more of the funding. If the people of Texas want minimal care for their residents, we have reached the point where the feds should not intervene. The reality is that in this age, we can move to another state.

Red states can end their "socialist" programs, if they wish.

The obviously problem with this proposal has nothing to do with Democratic states. They can afford to serve their people, and are ready and able to do so.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

There is no bankruptcy.




The feds should lock in 30 and 40 year bonds at current rates, below expercted inflation rates.
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STATE vs FEDERAL ISSUES
States need to make more of the decisions and do more of the funding. If the people of Texas want minimal care for their residents, we have reached the point where the feds should not intervene. The reality is that in this age, we can move to another state.

Red states can end their "socialist" programs, if they wish.

The obviously problem with this proposal has nothing to do with Democratic states. They can afford to serve their people, and are ready and able to do so.

For the average person and for businesses that would never work.
Who's in agreement with you on this one?
?

 

[returntosender]

I thought last night was wonderful especially the first lady. Did you notice there were no divisive comments against the opposition as in last weeks fiasco?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I thought last night was wonderful especially the first lady. Did you notice there were no divisive comments against the opposition as in last week fiasco?

Yes, the RNC shared hope and love.
M

 

[jgarden]

I thought last night was wonderful especially the first lady. Did you notice there were no divisive comments against the opposition as in last weeks fiasco?

Before our conservative friends start singing "Kumbaya" around the campfire in the Rose Garden, Day 2 of the Republican Convention introduced several contentious issues!

1) Just hours before the Day 2 Convention,commenced, one of the list of speakers had to be removed for making an anti-semitic tweet based on a conspiracy theory! That's pretty reckless behavior for someone who was scheduled on the same day to deliver a nationwide address - the Trump Campaign must consider itself fortunate that she did it before and not after her speech!

2) On Feb. 18, 2020, Deputy Secretary of State Stephen Biegun sent State Department employees an email, stating that,

"The Department has a long-standing policy of limiting participation in partisan campaigns by its political appointees in recognition of the need for the U.S. Government to speak with one voice on foreign policy matters. The combination of Department policy and Hatch Act requirements effectively bars you from engaging in partisan political activities while on duty, and, in many circumstances, even when you are off duty." ( one of the memos )

Despite the fact the Secretary of State is not exempted from his own regulations, Secretary Pompeo, who is a Senate-confirmed presidential political appointee, deliberately violated his own Department's stated policy by addressing the Republican National Convention from Jerusalem last night! This address from Israel was widely interpreted as a not so subtle reminder to his Evangelical base reinforcing Trump's ties with Israel!

3) This President's decision to stage Republican National Convention events in the White House and Rose Garden was completely unprecedented in American politics. The White House and its grounds are limited to those functions while serving his role as President, not as a venue for partisan political activities such as the Republican National Convention!

 

[Under One King]

Before our conservative friends start singing "Kumbayah" around the campfire in the Rose Garden, Day 2 of the Republican Convention introduced several contentious issues!

1) Just hours before the Day 2 Convention,commenced, one of the list of speakers had to be removed for making an anti-semitic tweet based on a conspiracy theory!

2) On Feb. 18, 2020, Deputy Secretary of State Stephen Biegun sent State Department employees an email, stating that, "The Department has a long-standing policy of limiting participation in partisan campaigns by its political appointees in recognition of the need for the U.S. Government to speak with one voice on foreign policy matters. The combination of Department policy and Hatch Act requirements effectively bars you from engaging in partisan political activities while on duty, and, in many circumstances, even when you are off duty." ( one of the memos )

Despite the fact the Secretary of State is not exempted from his own regulations, Secretary Pompeo who is a Senate-confirmed presidential appointed political appointee violated his own Departments policies by addressing the Republican Convention from Jerusalem last night! His address from Israel was widely interpreted as a reminder of this President's close ties with that nation for his Evangelical base!

Um, you do know that several means more than two don't you?

 

[jgarden]

Um, you do know that several means more than two don't you?

Your wish is my command - several in this case means 3!

 

[Jermayn]

Before our conservative friends start singing "Kumbaya" around the campfire in the Rose Garden, Day 2 of the Republican Convention introduced several contentious issues!

1) Just hours before the Day 2 Convention,commenced, one of the list of speakers had to be removed for making an anti-semitic tweet based on a conspiracy theory! That's pretty reckless for someone who on the same day has the trust of the Trump Campaign to give a nationwide address - the RNC must count themselves fortunate that she did it before and not after her speech!

2) On Feb. 18, 2020, Deputy Secretary of State Stephen Biegun sent State Department employees an email, stating that, "The Department has a long-standing policy of limiting participation in partisan campaigns by its political appointees in recognition of the need for the U.S. Government to speak with one voice on foreign policy matters. The combination of Department policy and Hatch Act requirements effectively bars you from engaging in partisan political activities while on duty, and, in many circumstances, even when you are off duty." ( one of the memos )

Despite the fact the Secretary of State is not exempted from his own regulations, Secretary Pompeo who is a Senate-confirmed presidential appointed political appointee violated his own Departments policies by addressing the Republican Convention from Jerusalem last night! His address from Israel was widely interpreted as a reminder of this President's close ties with that nation for his Evangelical base!

3) This President's decision to stage Republican National Convention events in the White House and the Rose Garden is completely unprecedented in American politics. The White House and its grounds are to be used for functions in his role as President, not as a venue for partisan political activities such as the Republican National Convention!

No one cares about #1. Richard Spencer endorsed Biden and one of the BLM boys and NBA athletes literally quoted Hitler on his twitter feed. No one cares. No one cares about #2 either. Pompeo has free time and his own money, which he used for the recording. Also, no one cares about #3. Trump lives in the White House. He's the President. No one's even heard of the Rose Garden tradition or whatever before this past month.

TL/DR: No one cares about any of this.

 

[Jermayn]

Newt Gingrich says Trump win will be 'dramatically bigger' than expected

A Trump victory is "beginning to build," Gingrich added.

Gingrich was reacting to the Democratic Convention, saying that when the GOP gathers this week at the Republican Convention, the party needs only to continue pointing out their differences from Democrats in order to bolster Trump's chances.

Trump is either pulling ahead of or closing in on Biden in swing states after the high school AV team produced the horrible DNC convention last week. With Joe Biden no where to be found and no travel plans anytime soon, as well as a stellar RNC, expect more positive progression by Trump after this week. The debates will be the final nail in the coffin for Biden.

 

[Under One King]

Trump is either pulling ahead of or closing in on Biden in swing states after the high school AV team produced the horrible DNC convention last week. With Joe Biden no where to be found and no travel plans anytime soon, as well as a stellar RNC, expect more positive progression by Trump after this week. The debates will be the final nail in the coffin for Biden.

I think the coffins already been nailed for a long time. Now it's time to bury it.

 

[mark46]

For the average person and for businesses that would never work.
Who's in agreement with you on this one?
?

no one.

Everyone wants to continue the bloodsport between the far left and the far right.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

The debates will be the final nail in the coffin for Biden.

So as to protect and save the Country I hope so.
Trump 2020