Trump's shutdown: Navajo Nation residents trapped in their homes as federal snowplows stop running

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There's the 10th Amendment, which says that States should plow their own roads. But there's also the "fact" that Indian tribes are sovereign nations, so you know, the U.S. Government doesn't plow roads in France. (Or maybe we do these days. I can't keep up.)
Sovereign nations. So is Standing Rock able to change a perverse levy on the resources that travel through their sovereign lands or perhaps we could just stop trotting out convenient statements you disagree with anyways.

Snow is not people. And how did Indians in their sovereign nations get from point A to point B in the year 1600?
I'd be willing to bet that Trump cares plenty about everyone affected by the shutdown.
I'd be willing to bet that Trump experiences an emotion but I can tell you now it is neither sympathy or empathy. Trump cares to use those people are bargainning chips so he can do what he wants.

Sooo many sociopathic tendencies on display during this presidency. I'm not diagnosing...just noting.
 
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Sovereign nations. So is Standing Rock able to change a perverse levy on the resources that travel through their sovereign lands

Absolutely they can.

That's why (1) some North Dakota tribes encourage pipelines through their lands (in order to collect large fees) and (2) the DAPL doesn't actually go through the Standing Rock reservation (because they would have needed Standing Rock permission to do that).
 
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Absolutely they can.

That's why (1) some North Dakota tribes encourage pipelines through their lands (in order to collect large fees) and (2) the DAPL doesn't actually go through the Standing Rock reservation (because they would have needed Standing Rock permission to do that).

Correction: DAPL does run through the Standing Rock Rez and the Standing Rock Sioux tribe did not authorize it. In fact, they fought it on their land and at the United Nations Human Rights Counsel.

This map of the Dakota Access Pipeline clearly shows that the pipeline was built on Sioux tribal land, which is protected by the 1851 Fort Laramie Treaty. So yes, the pipeline does cross into tribal lands.

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Further information about DAPL being built on Sioux protected tribal land:

Pipeline route plan first called for crossing north of Bismarck

Audio: Tribe objected to pipeline nearly 2 years before lawsuit

Audio shows Standing Rock Sioux tribe objected to pipeline two years ago

The Standing Rock Sioux took their fight to the United Nations Human Rights Counsel.

David Archambault II, Standing Rock Sioux Chairman, at the United Nations in Geneva, Switzerland.


US should return stolen land to Indian tribes, says United Nations

U.N. human rights official criticizes federal relationship with Indian tribes

United Nations Experts and the International Indian Treaty Council will visit Standing Rock

United Nations Investigates Human Rights Violations by Law Enforcement Against Standing Rock Water Protectors
 
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Sovereign nations. So is Standing Rock able to change a perverse levy on the resources that travel through their sovereign lands or perhaps we could just stop trotting out convenient statements you disagree with anyways.

At the protest against DAPL at Standing Rock, the militarized police and the National Guard used water canons, tear gas, tasers, pepper spray, concussion grenades, and Long Range Acoustic Device sound cannons. The violence and human rights violations against the native water protectors were so horrific that Amnesty International and the United Nations Human Rights Counsel became involved.

Amnesty International USA Derides ND for Subfreezing Water Onslaught

Medics Describe How Police Sprayed Standing Rock Demonstrators With Tear Gas and Water Cannons

Here are some pictures of the United States govenment's police and military reaction to UNARMED Native Americans attempting to protect the scraps of tribal lands they have left against the pipeline.

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Correction: DAPL does run through the Standing Rock Rez

No, it runs just outside.

and the Standing Rock Sioux tribe did not authorize it

True, but since it ran outside the Rez, they had no legal power to stop it. Had it gone through the Rez, they could have stopped it easily. US courts do recognise tribal control of reservations.

This map of the Dakota Access Pipeline clearly shows that the pipeline was built on Sioux tribal land, which is protected by the 1851 Fort Laramie Treaty.

The 1851 Fort Laramie Treaty was revised by a later treaty in 1868, and the land through which the DAPL goes is not actually part of the Rez. In fact, the company involved carefully routed it outside the Rez (through the land already dug up by an older pipeline).

The tribe's legal case hinged primarily on possible downstream effects on the tribe's water. AFAIK, the tribe lost most of their case, with a few legal points still outstanding.
 
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Or the Democrats in Congress (and Republicans) who do not want a secure nation, but one where labor is cheap and votes are plentiful.

Odd, then, that the House, backed by the Democrats, specifically passed a bill yesterday to fund the Border Patrol and border security, that is completely separate from the bill to reopen the government. Granted, they don't give Trump the extra money to build his wall -- but it shows you point for the falsehood it is. The fact is, Democrats want a secure border as much as Republicans, they just agree with most experts that Trump's wall is a waste of money -- particularly since most illegal aliens now are coming in legally and then overstaying their visas.
 
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Odd, then, that the House, backed by the Democrats, specifically passed a bill yesterday to fund the Border Patrol and border security, that is completely separate from the bill to reopen the government. Granted, they don't give Trump the extra money to build his wall -- but it shows you point for the falsehood it is. The fact is, Democrats want a secure border as much as Republicans, they just agree with most experts that Trump's wall is a waste of money -- particularly since most illegal aliens now are coming in legally and then overstaying their visas.

Undocumented immigrants are also often hired by U.S. companies too. If Trump and his Republican cronies were really serious about combating illegal immigration, then they would actively go after the companies who hire undocumented immigrants. But if that were to actually happen, then the Trump Organization would find itself in hot water and it's highly unlikely Trump would approve of his own company being targeted like that and then investigated by ICE for hiring undocumented workers.
 
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SAULT STE. MARIE, Mich. — For one tribe of Chippewa Indians in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, the government shutdown comes with a price tag: about $100,000, every day, of federal money that does not arrive to keep health clinics staffed, food pantry shelves full and employees paid.

The tribe is using its own funds to cover the shortfalls for now. But if the standoff in Washington continues much longer, that stopgap money will be depleted. Later this month, workers could be furloughed and health services could be pared back. “Everything,” said Aaron Payment, the chairman of the Sault Ste. Marie Tribe, “is on the table.”

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A blanket of snow has covered the region, but roads are unplowed because federal maintenance has stopped. Many people are now trapped in their homes, unable to make the 20- or 50-mile journey to buy water, groceries and medicine, said Mr. Begaye.

The Interior Department’s Indian Affairs bureau provides basic services to about 1.9 million American Indians and Alaska Natives, often by funneling funds to the tribes to administer the services themselves or by employing federal workers to run the programs. This means that services from law enforcement to tribal courts, disaster relief and road maintenance are often completed by tribal employees whose salaries rely on federal funding — or by federal workers, some of whom are tribal citizens.

Shutdown Leaves Food, Medicine and Pay in Doubt in Indian Country

Trump's shutdown: Navajo Nation residents trapped in their homes as federal snowplows stop running


Of course if they vote democrat, I'm sure Trump doesn't care...

You know what the tribe said when the president told them that they needed to get that snow plowed or they could lose federal funding next year???

....

How?
 
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I'll repeat myself: Donald Trump and his Republican cronies in his administration don't give a rat's behind about Native Americans or the treaties with the tribal nations or the scraps of tribal lands left that are suppose to be protected by those treaties. I doubt very seriously he even cares that 40% of the Navajo Nation is without clean water. I doubt this water crisis has even crossed his mind.

Navajo Water Project

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Water Hole: No Running Water on Navajo Nation Reservation

Water poverty on U.S. soil: why the Navajo Nation water crisis should shame us all

It's clear Trump doesn't care about the treaties that were signed with the Tohono O’odham Nation.

A Standing Rock on the Border?

A border tribe, and the wall that will divide it

Border Wall Threatens Native American Sovereignty

Trump's Border Wall Could Carve Path Through Native American Lands

Native American Tribe to DHS: Keep your dumb border wall off our land

American Indians fear U.S.-Mexico border wall will destroy ancient culture

Native American Tribe on U.S.-Mexico Border Blocks Trump's National Guard Troops From Its Lands

Lay one brick of the border wall and it will be the last of the Indian Wars, native Americans warn Trump

He has a long history of clashing with Native Americans even before he was elected president.

Trump Can't Stop Insulting Native Americans

Trump challenges Native Americans’ historical standing

Trump's disrespect for Native Americans is nothing new

Trump advisors aim to privatize oil-rich Indian reservations

Trump, in a Federal Lawsuit, Seeks to Block Indian Casinos

Donald Trump’s long history of clashes with Native Americans

Trump’s Direct Assault on Native American Tribal Sovereignty

Trump is breaking the federal government's promises to Native Americans

Many Native Americans, Citing History, Angry Over Trump Immigration Policy

Donald Trump and Federal Indian Policy: ‘They Don’t Look Like Indians to Me’

Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe: President Trump Lies About Working With Tribes On DAPL

* I posted the last two list of links in one of my previous posts earlier in this thread *
Yeah, you're repeating yourself. As for giving a rats behind about Native Americans, that goes back to Andrew Jackson, and every president since. I believe that Trump cares more than almost any previous President. The fact is the government under Jackson took the valuable land Natives had, and relocated them to perceived non-valuable land.
Regarding the 'no running water' article, are you aware that it's not the government's fault? It's their own fault for trying to rely on the government. The government has screwed them over ever since they encountered them. Those tribes who self-govern are doing remarkably well. Also, there is a small tribe in the Palm Springs, CA area where every member of the tribe is a multi-billionaire, yet they live with no running water and no electricity, preferring to live in primitive conditions.
I submit that it is incumbent on ever resident of the US to not rely on the US government as much as possible, to each's own ability to do so. Government doesn't really care about anyone. The President included. But Donald Trump does care about people, regardless of their skin color.
 
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Sovereign nations. So is Standing Rock able to change a perverse levy on the resources that travel through their sovereign lands or perhaps we could just stop trotting out convenient statements you disagree with anyways.


I'd be willing to bet that Trump experiences an emotion but I can tell you now it is neither sympathy or empathy. Trump cares to use those people are bargainning chips so he can do what he wants.

Sooo many sociopathic tendencies on display during this presidency. I'm not diagnosing...just noting.
You have no ability to diagnose, only to suppose.
 
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Odd, then, that the House, backed by the Democrats, specifically passed a bill yesterday to fund the Border Patrol and border security, that is completely separate from the bill to reopen the government. Granted, they don't give Trump the extra money to build his wall -- but it shows you point for the falsehood it is. The fact is, Democrats want a secure border as much as Republicans, they just agree with most experts that Trump's wall is a waste of money -- particularly since most illegal aliens now are coming in legally and then overstaying their visas.
You know, honestly, Trump doesn't need Congress's permission to build the wall. It is his Constitutional duty to protect the people of the US the best way he sees fit. That he doesn't want to do it by executive order is very telling about how he wants to govern. The fact is, the government loses track of more than 5 billion dollars in any month of the year, which shows how small an amount it truly is. You may also not know that the border is being protected as best as it can be right now by the Border Patrol and border security.
 
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Show me how you'd want to gauge it, or prove it, and we can talk.
You are the one who made the claim, so you are the one who has to clarify it.
 
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You are the one who made the claim, so you are the one who has to clarify it.
I'll let you define the terms, gentleman that I try to be. Has to be provable and measurable.
 
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I'll let you define the terms, gentleman that I try to be. Has to be provable and measurable.
Okay. Since the saying goes that "money talks", let the measure be the amount of money he has directed (either his own or that of the US government, either directly or by congress) to the people suffering from the current shutdown.
 
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Okay. Since the saying goes that "money talks", let the measure be the amount of money he has directed (either his own or that of the US government, either directly or by congress) to the people suffering from the current shutdown.
It's not his place or job to direct money. That responsiblity is Congress's.
 
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Oh please, tell me about the current government of the USA and their treatment of treaties.

To be fair, I trust "the current government of the USA" (and would, even if the POTUS had been Clinton and not Trump) far more than I trust Germany's government, and therefore the government of the "EU", that's for darned sure ^_^

As to the OP:
Yes, this situation sucks.
No, this is not 100% Trump's fault. Congress shares in that blame. And I am pretty darn certain that all those who now whine about how evil Trump is for not caving to a Congress that's opposing him, were singing Obama's praises when he didn't either.
 
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Our president thinks he is a king

The guy about who this saying was accurate hasn't been POTUS since January 20th 2017. After all, it was Obama who decided that if Congress didn't want to do his bidding, he'd simply rule by decree.
What were his words? "I have a phone and a pen"?
 
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