Trumpets Already Sounded?

[visionary]

to each their own I guess....

the post was not posted to you, but to another...
you chose to post a reply to me

I did not flame anyone...or belittle anyone as you did
now, you do not know my heart or what I am interested in...
so for you to say...



...is wrong

what a sad statement....how dare you claim what I am interseted in or not!
the entire reason for my study is to agree with God....

you don't think I study?


as for proof...that is edification...
and that is what we all should be here for...

I'd be glad if someone proved my understanding wrong, because then I'd be that much closer to truth.
So, if the 144,000 are Jews, prove it!

I must apologize because the internet does not provide me a way of conveying a "heads up" on the way the statement "Prove it" can be taken...

 

[Achilles6129]

Apparently I have confused you will Achilles who believes that the 7th seal happens 21 months before the 6th seal which is illogical.
I'm sorry about that.

LOL! I really did laugh reading that, Jen. Well, I have presented my evidence for this claim, so now I must leave it to the courteous reader to decide for themselves whether or not it's worth considering.

You can tell that the bowls are between the 6th and 7th trumpets in two ways (right off the top of my head) -

Nighthawkeye raised a good point a little earlier. If you admit that the bowls must happen before the 7th trumpet (which you do), then how can you prove that the bowls cannot be interspersed throughout the 7 trumpets? In point of fact, Jen, you cannot.

1. The 7th trumpet and the 7th bowl are identical - earthquake, hail, "it is done".

Of course. You know my views on this subject.

2. The bowls cannot follow the 7th trumpet because during the bowls the beast gathers the armies of the world to Armageddon to fight an enemy (Christ) that is coming from the sky. That "battle" (which isn't really a battle but a complete devastation/destruction of anti-christ and his armies and all the evil) takes place AFTER those armies have gathered, as Christ is returning after the 7th trumpet.

I just have a little technical problem with this statement - the beast is not actually gathering the armies of the earth to fight against an "enemy from the sky" (Jesus Christ). Rather, the beast is gathering the armies to go against Israel. Once the beast is over in Israel, after he captures half of the city, Jesus Christ returns to fight for Israel. At this point in time, the beast turns his attention from the city of Jerusalem to Jesus Christ. It's all laid out for you in Zechariah 14:

"2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city." Zech. 14:2

"3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle." Zech. 14:3

So it is after the beast captures half of the city of Jerusalem that Christ returns - the beast then turns his attention to Christ, and of course is destroyed (Rev. 19, etc.)

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Nighthawkeye raised a good point a little earlier. If you admit that the bowls must happen before the 7th trumpet (which you do), then how can you prove that the bowls cannot be interspersed throughout the 7 trumpets? In point of fact, Jen, you cannot.

The bowls ARE NOT, repeat ARE NOT, "interpersed throughout the 7 trumpets"!!!!!!! I NEVER said that!
The bowls are between the 6th trumpet and the 7th trumpet. I can indeed prove this because after the 7th trumpet/7th bowl, it is OVER and Christ is coming to destroy - to destroy that army formed against him in the 6th bowl! (and all the evil) Again, The 7th trumpet/7th bowl BOTH actually say it's over, hail, earthquake. What happens AFTER the 7th bowl and 7th trumpet of the 7th seal is CHRIST COMES TO DESTROY!

Compare:

The Seventh Trumpet


15The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,
and he will reign for ever and ever." 16And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying:
"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.
18The nations were angry; and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your saints and those who reverence your name,
both small and great—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth." 19Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

The 7th bowl:

REv 16:17The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.


The 6th bowl is the gathering of the world's armies to battle against Christ!

12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13Then I saw three evil[a] spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

...
16Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.


That gathering of armies comes before the 7th trumpet/7th bowl. The destruction of those armies is AFTER the 7th trumpet/7th bowl, when Christ comes on the clouds. See Rev 19!

I just have a little technical problem with this statement - the beast is not actually gathering the armies of the earth to fight against an "enemy from the sky" (Jesus Christ). Rather, the beast is gathering the armies to go against Israel. Once the beast is over in Israel, after he captures half of the city, Jesus Christ returns to fight for Israel. At this point in time, the beast turns his attention from the city of Jerusalem to Jesus Christ. It's all laid out for you in Zechariah 14:

"2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city." Zech. 14:2

"3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle." Zech. 14:3

So it is after the beast captures half of the city of Jerusalem that Christ returns - the beast then turns his attention to Christ, and of course is destroyed (Rev. 19, etc.)

How can the beast be going against Israel at that point in time when he's already subjugated it? He's already killed or imprisoned everyone who doesn't take the mark. How can he then go up against Israel? There's no one left resisting him at that point.

REv 19: 19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

It is undeniable that the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against Christ!...an enemy that will indeed be coming from the sky to destroy them!

Zech 14 could be describing gog.
Zech 14:3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake [a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

How is it that the Lord's feet stand on the Mount of Olive, it splits, and Israel flees and THEN the Lord comes with all of the holy ones with him?

It's similar to Matt 24. It skips a bunch of stuff happening between the destruction of gog and Armageddon.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I must apologize because the internet does not provide me a way of conveying a "heads up" on the way the statement "Prove it" can be taken...

No need to apologize sis

 

[Achilles6129]

The bowls ARE NOT, repeat ARE NOT, "interpersed throughout the 7 trumpets"!!!!!!! I NEVER said that!
The bowls are between the 6th trumpet and the 7th trumpet. I can indeed prove this because after the 7th trumpet/7th bowl, it is OVER and Christ is coming to destroy

I'm not saying you said that. I'm saying that you cannot prove that. Once you admit that the bowls come before the 7th trumpet, the question is: How can you prove when they come before the 7th trumpet? For example, the 2nd bowl may happen after the 4th trumpet (I'm not saying I believe this necessarily - it's just an example) - you have no way of knowing.

Just because after the 7th trumpet/7th bowl are over (actually, during them) Christ "comes to destroy" in no way shows when exacty the bowls are poured out - they can be interspersed throughout the trumpets.

No, wrong...look closely at Zech 14.

No, wrong? Zechariah 14 is describing the antichrist's battle against Jerusalem - and it deals specifically with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The sequence is clear - first 1/2 of the city is captured, and then Christ returns to destroy the antichrist and his armies. It is plain as day.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I'm not saying you said that. I'm saying that you cannot prove that. Once you admit that the bowls come before the 7th trumpet, the question is: How can you prove when they come before the 7th trumpet? For example, the 2nd bowl may happen after the 4th trumpet (I'm not saying I believe this necessarily - it's just an example) - you have no way of knowing.

Just because after the 7th trumpet/7th bowl are over (actually, during them) Christ "comes to destroy" in no way shows when exacty the bowls are poured out - they can be interspersed throughout the trumpets.

I JUST showed you! Apparently you are not listening.

Pay close attention....the 6th bowl is the gathering of armies for war against Christ. It is not THE war, it is the GATHERING for war.

The 7th bowl/7th trumpet are identical - BOTH say "it's over"/"the time has come to destroy" as well as hail and earthquake, lightning, thunder.

THEN Christ comes to destroy!...to destroy those armies that gathered for war against him in the 6th bowl!

SEE????

The 7th seal:
1. Trumpets 1-6
2. Bowls 1-6
3. Trumpet 7/Bowl 7 which are identical
THEN CHRIST COMES TO DESTROY!

That sequence is undeniable! The entire 7th seal is the outpouring of wrath. God uses the beasts, the trumpets and the bowls. THEN, he comes to destroy.

No, wrong? Zechariah 14 is describing the antichrist's battle against Jerusalem - and it deals specifically with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The sequence is clear - first 1/2 of the city is captured, and then Christ returns to destroy the antichrist and his armies. It is plain as day.

It doesn't say "the anti-christ's battle against Jerusalem". The anti-christ is completely in control of everything by the time he gathers the armies of the earth for war against Christ. The second coming of Christ happens YEARS before he comes on the clouds to destroy which Zech 14 appears to demonstrate, as well. Gog is destroyed YEARS before Christ comes on the clouds to destroy all the evil.

 

[Achilles6129]

I JUST showed you! Apparently you are not listening.

Pay close attention....the 6th bowl is the gathering of armies for war against Christ. It is not THE war, it is the GATHERING for war.

Again, this still doesn't prove anything, Jen. In addition, nowhere does it state that these armies are, at the time of the 6th bowl, being gathered for war "against Christ." We actually know they're being gathered for war "against Israel." See Zech. 14.

It doesn't say "the anti-christ's battle against Jerusalem". The anti-christ is completely in control of everything by the time he gathers the armies of the earth for war against Christ. The second coming of Christ happens YEARS before he comes on the clouds to destroy which Zech 14 appears to demonstrate, as well. Gog is destroyed YEARS before Christ comes on the clouds to destroy all the evil.

Zech. 14 does not have to say "the antichrist's battle against Jerusalem" - it obviously is, since after Zech. 14 Christ is reigning on planet earth:

"4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south." Zech. 14:4

"9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. 12Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey." Ac. 1:9-12

Christ is received up from the mount of Olives, and he "shall come in like manner" - he then comes down upon the mount of Olives in Zech. 14 - proving this is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Zechariah then mentions the millenial reign:

"9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." Zech. 14:9

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Again, this still doesn't prove anything, Jen. In addition, nowhere does it state that these armies are, at the time of the 6th bowl, being gathered for war "against Christ." We actually know they're being gathered for war "against Israel." See Zech. 14.



Zech. 14 does not have to say "the antichrist's battle against Jerusalem" - it obviously is, since after Zech. 14 Christ is reigning on planet earth:

"4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south." Zech. 14:4

"9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. 12Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey." Ac. 1:9-12

Christ is received up from the mount of Olives, and he "shall come in like manner" - he then comes down upon the mount of Olives in Zech. 14 - proving this is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Zechariah then mentions the millenial reign:

"9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." Zech. 14:9

Stay in blindness.

Joel 2 shows the Northern armies invading Israel at the sun/moon darkening/stars falling. It shows God fighting against them. That's an invasion of Israel at the 6th seal, demonstrating why the great tribulation is cut short or else no one would survive. He kills them with hail, fire, and blood, which are the 1st and 2nd trumpets of the 7th seal, according to Ezek 38. Everyone will know it was God that saved them.

Rev 16 shows the anti-christ convincing the nations to gather for war against Christ. Rev 19 proves they are actually gathering for war against Christ. There would be no reason for the anti-christ to go up against Israel at this moment in time because he's already subjected everyone to his will. This is the moment when He comes on the clouds to destroy.

Two different moments in time, at least 3 1/2 years apart, yet all after the return of the Lord.

This is yet another reason people are so easily deceived by the devil. Israel doesn't understand that an anti-christ comes before Christ. All they see is a destruction of an invading army by God and an expection of a Messiah, Scripturally. Little do they know that after gog is destroyed, an evil anti-christ rises and does incredible damage before the Messiah comes.

 

[Achilles6129]

Stay in blindness.

I think I can read quite well, actually This is simple application of Scriptures, nothing more.

Joel 2 shows the Northern armies invading Israel at the sun/moon darkening/stars falling.

Yes, and what is the sun/moon/stars falling called in Joel 2? The day of the LORD:

"10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: 11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?" Joel 2:10-11

The "northern army" in this passage is none other than the antichrist (who is the king of the north in Dan. 11:36 [some say 40] onwards). The proof:

"20But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things." Joel 2:20

"45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." Dan. 11:45

It shows God fighting against them. That's an invasion of Israel at the 6th seal,

I agree with you that it is the 6th seal, but we think so for different reasons.

demonstrating why the great tribulation is cut short or else no one would survive.

Disagree and have shown why.

He kills them with hail, fire, and blood, which are the 1st and 2nd trumpets of the 7th seal, according to Ezek 38. Everyone will know it was God that saved them.

I actually think that Gog is the antichrist. But that's for another thread. Also, there is absolutely not even a smidgeon of proof that the events of Ezekiel 38 are in any way linked to the 1st/2nd trumpets.

Rev 16 shows the anti-christ convincing the nations to gather for war against Christ.

The Bible simply does not support this notion. It is against Israel, not against Christ, who has not even been revealed yet.

Rev 19 proves they are actually gathering for war against Christ.

No, it does not. It is the scene directly after Christ is revealed from heaven - then the AC makes war against Christ - and he's already over in Israel.

There would be no reason for the anti-christ to go up against Israel at this moment in time because he's already subjected everyone to his will. This is the moment when He comes on the clouds to destroy.

No, the antichrist has not already subjected everyone to his will. Daniel 11 makes this very apparent:

"40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over." Dan. 11:40

If the antichrist has subjected everyone to his will, why does the king of the south push at him? There is some type of war going on which leads the AC over to Israel. Also, why is he troubled at tidings from the east/north?

"44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many." Dan. 11:44

The AC is battling here, and he winds up over in Israel - captures half of the city, and then Christ destroys him.

 

[visionary]

You do realise that the last trumpet is known to be the longest sounding trumpet/.. How about it sounds all the way through the seven plagues until the resurrection awakes the dead.

 

[zeke37]

cool possibility

 

[Stung!!!]

Did anyone else hear the Fifth trumpet of God Almighty sound when oil wells were lit ablaze during “Operation Desert Storm”?
During the Gulf War when all the oil wells were lit ablaze I was attacked by a demon on three separate occasions all at night. This is what happened. While I slept a demon flew through my window and attack me. The spirit inside me fought this demon briefly until I awoke. Then it made me take over. I leaped out of bed trying to defend myself. This demon was horrid and spun circles around me thrashing through my soul with its hands, then it left as fast as it came. The demon radiated from the pains associated with the abyss. He was like a coal pulled from the fire, with the pains of the abyss Rev 9, 3. This attack happened on three separate occasions as I have stated. all on separate nights during the time frame when the oil wells had been lit ablaze in the Middle East. The third time it attacked me however was different from the rest. As before the demon attacked me, but this time I had enough since to command it to leave in the name of Jesus Christ. What happened next is even more amazing. After commanding this demon to leave in the name of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit delivered me outside my bedroom into the hallway. The demon followed. We were brought into the presence of the Lord. The Demon stood to my left and grabbing my hand, it placed its tail on top of my left hand. It was the sting of the scorpion and it went like this. It sent waves of fire through my soul Rev 9, 10. The pain was so sever that I couldn’t scream. Unconditionally, I looked straight up and said “Father please help me”. The demon then left.
This all happened after being seduced into trying transcendental meditation, which caused spiritual bondage to witchcraft / demonic forces. Maybe the spiritual bondage occurred after playing a Ouija board or Tarot cards as a young boy. I’m not quite sure. They appeared at that time just to be games, and were sold in the kids section at stores or at least the Ouija board was. I had a lot of spiritual warfare after participating in these so called “games”. What I am sure of is that prior to being attacked by this demon, I was forced to go through the Illuminati’s esoteric initiation performed through altered states of consciousness / transcendental meditation assisted with witchcraft / demonic forces. Why I say demonic forces is that I believe all witchcraft to be the powers of demons / the Devil. I was forced to go through said esoteric initiation through methods including witchcraft, demonology, and subversive acts of terrorism. The methods of witchcraft included mind control / manipulation, heart palpitations, witchcraft dreams causing sleep depravation, powerful visions, and many other forms. In said ceremony I was instructed to except the worship of one of their many “demonic gods”. They informed me that in excepting one of there gods I accepted them all. One of there gods was the Devil, another they named Jesus, but they appeared to have a demon for every occasion. They informed me through methods of telepathy , that in accepting the worship of one, I accepted them all. What better way to join all religions of the world together under one banner of 666 spiritually enslaving society?
David Spengler of the United Nations says that all people must go through a esoteric initiation and worship Lucifer to enter the New Age of Enlightenment. Helen Blavatsky calls it a Christ like consciousness, universal mind set. Benjamin Cream states that after said initiation all its members will be able to hear ancient wisdom spoken telepathically at the same moment by ascended Masters. I knew nothing of this group at that time or there Luciferian agenda of a One World Government. Take a guess what method is used for this initiation? I bet you know now. Have you heard of the New Age Movement, or its affiliation with “Free” Masonry? Do you know what a unholy baptism is or the term Kundalini.
To the best of my knowledge this is the method Satan’s Secret Society uses to distribute the “spiritual mark of the beast”, and cause spiritual captivity Revelation 13, 10. Have you received your spiritual stamp of acceptance? If so, did you take it on the forehead becoming a spiritual slave of evil, or on the right hand a servant of the Devil himself? Does this sound hard to believe? Here are a few scriptures giving in sight. Revelation 13, 10, If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go . This is spiritual captivity to witchcraft / demonic forces. Naham 3, 4, who enslaved nations by her witchcraft. Revelation 18, 23, By your magic spell all nations were led astray. Hebrews 2:15 states by there fear of death they are held in bondage. Witchcraft / demonic powers are very real. Thank you Jesus for the Holy spirit and your Angels.
There is a way out, but it has been difficult for me. Revelation 12, 11, Those who overcame, overcame by the blood of the lamb and the “word” of their testimony. They didn’t love their own lives so much as to shrink from death. Hebrews 2, 15, By their fear of death they are held in spiritual captivity / bondage. Satan’s “Secret” Society isn’t very secret anymore! It is like a giant octopus with many tentacles reaching far and wide.
Here is the rest of the story. Three to four nights later the demon returned in the early am @ about 3am. He wasn’t alone, Satan / Apollyon and the demon’s twin brother was with him. They hovered in the air above the ground, before the olive tree in our back yard. I could see them as the spirit in me manifested them to me! Satan hovered in the middle while the demons were on either side of him. The demon on his left had been thrown into the lake of fire for what he did to me. He radiated like a coal pulled from the fire what seemed to be 15’x15′. He was lit up like a Christmas tree! Graciously yours baptized by fire the witness! Who will believe this testimony? God will be my witness! Located in California. Recommended information Fake truth Movement Exposed 1-12 on you tube. It has insight into who has received the spiritual stamp on there right hand.

 

[visionary]

Did anyone else hear the Fifth trumpet of God Almighty sound when oil wells were lit ablaze during “Operation Desert Storm”?
During the Gulf War when all the oil wells were lit ablaze I was attacked by a demon on three separate occasions all at night. This is what happened. While I slept a demon flew through my window and attack me. The spirit inside me fought this demon briefly until I awoke. Then it made me take over. I leaped out of bed trying to defend myself. This demon was horrid and spun circles around me thrashing through my soul with its hands, then it left as fast as it came. The demon radiated from the pains associated with the abyss. He was like a coal pulled from the fire, with the pains of the abyss Rev 9, 3. This attack happened on three separate occasions as I have stated. all on separate nights during the time frame when the oil wells had been lit ablaze in the Middle East. The third time it attacked me however was different from the rest. As before the demon attacked me, but this time I had enough since to command it to leave in the name of Jesus Christ. What happened next is even more amazing. After commanding this demon to leave in the name of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit delivered me outside my bedroom into the hallway. The demon followed. We were brought into the presence of the Lord. The Demon stood to my left and grabbing my hand, it placed its tail on top of my left hand. It was the sting of the scorpion and it went like this. It sent waves of fire through my soul Rev 9, 10. The pain was so sever that I couldn’t scream. Unconditionally, I looked straight up and said “Father please help me”. The demon then left.
This all happened after being seduced into trying transcendental meditation, which caused spiritual bondage to witchcraft / demonic forces. Maybe the spiritual bondage occurred after playing a Ouija board or Tarot cards as a young boy. I’m not quite sure. They appeared at that time just to be games, and were sold in the kids section at stores or at least the Ouija board was. I had a lot of spiritual warfare after participating in these so called “games”. What I am sure of is that prior to being attacked by this demon, I was forced to go through the Illuminati’s esoteric initiation performed through altered states of consciousness / transcendental meditation assisted with witchcraft / demonic forces. Why I say demonic forces is that I believe all witchcraft to be the powers of demons / the Devil. I was forced to go through said esoteric initiation through methods including witchcraft, demonology, and subversive acts of terrorism. The methods of witchcraft included mind control / manipulation, heart palpitations, witchcraft dreams causing sleep depravation, powerful visions, and many other forms. In said ceremony I was instructed to except the worship of one of their many “demonic gods”. They informed me that in excepting one of there gods I accepted them all. One of there gods was the Devil, another they named Jesus, but they appeared to have a demon for every occasion. They informed me through methods of telepathy , that in accepting the worship of one, I accepted them all. What better way to join all religions of the world together under one banner of 666 spiritually enslaving society?
David Spengler of the United Nations says that all people must go through a esoteric initiation and worship Lucifer to enter the New Age of Enlightenment. Helen Blavatsky calls it a Christ like consciousness, universal mind set. Benjamin Cream states that after said initiation all its members will be able to hear ancient wisdom spoken telepathically at the same moment by ascended Masters. I knew nothing of this group at that time or there Luciferian agenda of a One World Government. Take a guess what method is used for this initiation? I bet you know now. Have you heard of the New Age Movement, or its affiliation with “Free” Masonry? Do you know what a unholy baptism is or the term Kundalini.
To the best of my knowledge this is the method Satan’s Secret Society uses to distribute the “spiritual mark of the beast”, and cause spiritual captivity Revelation 13, 10. Have you received your spiritual stamp of acceptance? If so, did you take it on the forehead becoming a spiritual slave of evil, or on the right hand a servant of the Devil himself? Does this sound hard to believe? Here are a few scriptures giving in sight. Revelation 13, 10, If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go . This is spiritual captivity to witchcraft / demonic forces. Naham 3, 4, who enslaved nations by her witchcraft. Revelation 18, 23, By your magic spell all nations were led astray. Hebrews 2:15 states by there fear of death they are held in bondage. Witchcraft / demonic powers are very real. Thank you Jesus for the Holy spirit and your Angels.
There is a way out, but it has been difficult for me. Revelation 12, 11, Those who overcame, overcame by the blood of the lamb and the “word” of their testimony. They didn’t love their own lives so much as to shrink from death. Hebrews 2, 15, By their fear of death they are held in spiritual captivity / bondage. Satan’s “Secret” Society isn’t very secret anymore! It is like a giant octopus with many tentacles reaching far and wide.
Here is the rest of the story. Three to four nights later the demon returned in the early am @ about 3am. He wasn’t alone, Satan / Apollyon and the demon’s twin brother was with him. They hovered in the air above the ground, before the olive tree in our back yard. I could see them as the spirit in me manifested them to me! Satan hovered in the middle while the demons were on either side of him. The demon on his left had been thrown into the lake of fire for what he did to me. He radiated like a coal pulled from the fire what seemed to be 15’x15′. He was lit up like a Christmas tree! Graciously yours baptized by fire the witness! Who will believe this testimony? God will be my witness! Located in California. Recommended information Fake truth Movement Exposed 1-12 on you tube. It has insight into who has received the spiritual stamp on there right hand.

That might have more to do with timing rather than fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Stung!!!]

A Testimony of Chuck

Is Anyone even aware that the Great Euphrates River is drying up in preparation of the Sixth Trumpet of God to sound, that Damascus is in Ruins, or that to the best of my knowledge the Sixth Vial of God is being poured out on the Great Euphrates River. Now do you understand why the illuminati Satanic \m/afia / Deep State with it’s many tentacles is frantically attempting to set up a New World Order using the UN? Satan heard the Trumpets of God as they have sounded.

This is my Testimony. Just prior to the Gulf war in 1990, I was paid a visit in the middle of the night by an Angel of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is what happened. The Angel of the Lord hovered above my room. He awoke me out of my sleep. He spoke to me out of the sound of a trumpet. Out of the sound of the Trumpet I understood what the Angel said in English. The Angel said “Jesus Christ is God and he came to the earth in the Flesh, FAST”. That was all the Angel said and I haven't heard from it since.

During the Gulf War in 1991 when the oil wells were lit ablaze in the Middle East, I was attacked by a demon on three separate occasions all at night. This is what happened. While I slept a demon flew through my window and attack me. The Demon was so fast that the Holy spirit inside me fought this demon briefly until I awoke. Then it made me take over. I leaped out of bed trying to defend myself. The feelings from the demon was horrid. I could actually feel the pains from it’s presence. It spun circles around me thrashing through my soul with its hands, then it left as fast as it came.

The Demon resembled an African Wart Hog that stood on its feet like a man. It was translucent. It radiated from the pains associated with the abyss. The Demon was like a coal that had been pulled from the fire, but with the pains that where associated with the abyss, Rev. 9:3.

These attacks happened on three separate nights as I have stated during the time frame when the oil wells had been lit ablaze in Ancient Babylon, the Middle East.

The third time the Scorpion Demon attacked me however was different from the rest. As before the Demon attacked me, this time I had enough since to command it to leave in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. What happened next is even more amazing. After commanding this demon to leave in the name of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit delivered me outside my bedroom into the hallway of our duplex. The demon followed. The Lord called us out of our rooms and we were brought into the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Demon stood to my left and grabbing my hand with its hand, it grabbed its tail and placed it on top of my left hand. It was the sting of the scorpion and it went like this. It sent waves of fire through my soul Rev. 9:10. The pain was so severe that I couldn’t scream. Unconditionally, I looked straight up and said “Father please help me”. The demon then left.

I lived with my mother at the time. My mother awoke, and was delivered by the Holy Spirit into the Hall way with me before the demon stung me. The Holy Spirit then lifted my right Arm and placed my mom's left hand on top of my right Hand, as if I were escorting her. She just stood next to me as this demon stung me. God Almighty was speaking to me.

These things and many more happened after being seduced into trying transcendental meditation, which caused spiritual bondage to witchcraft / demonic forces. Spiritual bondage also occurred after playing the Ouija board and Tarot cards as a young boy. They appeared at that time just to be games, and were sold in the kid’s section at stores, or at least the Ouija board was.

My dad was a Presbyterian Minister in Yuba City California until 1975. He was seduced into participating in the practice of a Ouija board and the Tarot cards. He brought them into our home. I was about 13 years old or so at the time. I knew nothing about the NWO Agenda. Bringing these occult objects into our home opened doors that should have remained closed. They truly are demonically inspired. I've suffered from participating in these occult objects which appeared as a young boy to be games.

The Devil is old and has a form of intelligence. My dad paid the price for dabbling in the occult, the illuminati came after him, my whole family has suffered. My dad shortly fell out of the ministry after participating with these occult objects. I believe that the Ouija board is to Satan what the Bat Phone is to Batman and Robin. I'm 59 years old now. I had a lot of spiritual warfare after participating in these so called “games”.



When I was 27, prior to the Gulf war, I discovered a large Satanic \m/afia in Sacramento California while participating in the Sacramento Darting association. When I uncovered the Devils lair, I started to talk openly to people about it.

The Illuminati Satanic \m/afia drug Cartel informed me that they Knew who my dad and I where. What better way to intimidate and Control with fear. Now do you understand why the borders are open? Now do you understand why Fentanyl and crack cocaine, its being used to control, manipulate the system, kill, destroy, and spiritually enslave. The Illuminati Agenda is being fulfilled. My dad passed away in 1995 from terminal cancer.

This was to be the beginning of my baptism by fire. I had no idea what the illuminati Satanic \m/afia octopus with its many tentacles was, or that they run drug dealing cartels and Biker Gangs just to name two. I was threatened with death, persecuted with subversive acts of terrorism, and attacked with witchcraft \ demonology. I soon discovered that they are in all walks of life and consist of Monolithic Secret Societies working together to fulfill the Luciferian agenda, the Great Tribulation.

What did a naive young man do? I went to a metaphysical book store and bought a book about witchcraft. It was kind of a joke, I thought. It talked about what colors meant in witchcraft, about blue stones for protection from witchcraft, etc. It appeared innocent. After reading some of the book I put it under my bed and went to sleep. In the middle of the night, I was paid a visit by what I believe to be a spirit of a witch. She flew in the spirit entering my room, hovering above me, she used some powers to manipulate my mind as I lay sleeping.

What she appeared to do to me I’ve actually seen a picture of it in the New Age witchcraft magazine of how the witch used powers to set their victims up for an initiation into the New Age of Aquarius. If you look you can find it. Don’t bring occult materials into your homes in the form of games, practices, books, etc... it opens doors and is very dangerous.


Prior to being attack by the demon during the Gulf War when all the oil wells where lit ablaze, I was forced to go through the Illuminati’s esoteric initiation performed through altered states of consciousness / transcendental meditation assisted with witchcraft / demonic forces. Why I say demonic forces is that I believe all witchcraft to be the powers of the demonic / the Devil. I was forced to go through said esoteric initiation through methods including witchcraft, demonology, and subversive acts of terrorism. The methods of torture from witchcraft included mind control / manipulation, heart palpitations, witchcraft dreams causing sleep deprivation, powerful visions, muscle spasms, twitching, witchcraft dreams, sleep paralysis, spiritual attacks, and many other forms. A evil witch performed Astro Projection to come after me using witchcraft and actually imprinted things on my brain. Hard to believe, nobody ever wants to experience this. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Especially when you deal with the spiritual realm and witchcraft. The illuminati enslave souls with witchcraft / Demonology.

I was assisted through said ceremony by methods of witchcraft. I was taken through three separate Initiations, one after the other, Transcending down the T.M. rabbit hole, It appeared to be in the three different sections of the brain, the top of the brain, the right side, and the left side. I went down the Rabbit hole of spiritual captivity. Transcending down the Rabbit hole during said esoteric initiations I was instructed to except the worship of one of their many “demonic gods”. They informed me through means of telepathy that in excepting one of their gods I accepted them all. One of their gods was the Devil, another they named Jesus, but they appeared to have a demon for every occasion. What better way to join all religions of the world together under one banner of 666 spiritually enslaving society? Now you know what the initiation consists of and its purpose.





New Age \m/ovements David Spengler of the United Nations says that all people must go through an esoteric initiation and worship Lucifer to enter the New Age of Enlightenment, Age of Aquarius. Helen Blavatsky calls it a Christ like consciousness, universal mind set. Benjamin Cream states that after said initiation all its members will be able to hear ancient wisdom spoken telepathically at the same moment by ascended Masters. The evil witch Barbra Marx Hubbard, who was nominated for the vice Presidency of the democratic party in 1984, says she is a part of an organization who are going force all people to go through an esoteric initiation and worship Lucifer or be exterminated. They mean it. These are Monolithic “Secret” Societies yoked together by the unholy baptism of the Anti-Christ spirit and they are attempting to spiritually enslave and control Society.

I knew nothing of these organizations at that time, or their Luciferian agenda of a One World Government. Take a guess what method is used for this initiation? I bet you know now. Have you heard of the New Age Movement, or its affiliation with “Free” Masonry? Are you aware that the Scottish rite of “Free” \m/asonry magazine changed to the New Age \m/agazine. Do you know what an unholy baptism is, or the term Kundalini? Magic art is the precursor to TM. Now do you understand why Harry Potter witchcraft books are being pushed across the land? Now do you understand why meditation is being forced in schools? The illuminati are sowing the seeds of spiritual Captivity by the distribution of occult material into society in the form of games and or practices. The Satanic \m/afia is yoked together by an unholy baptism or the manifestation of the spirit of sin. The New Age \m/ovement is Candy Coated Satanism designed to spiritual enslave souls.

Here are a few scriptures talking about Gods warnings to man dabbling in occult practices and witchcraft. Deuteronomy 18:10 states that people receive generational curses for participating in occult practices. Revelation 13, 10, If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. This is spiritual captivity to witchcraft / demonic forces. Nahum 3:4, who enslaved nations by her witchcraft. Revelation 18:23, By your magic spell all nations were led astray. Hebrews 2:15 states that by their fear of death they are held in bondage. Ezekiel 13:20 Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare People like birds. I will tear them from your arms. I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds. I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your powers. Witchcraft / demonic powers are very real. Thank you, Jesus for the Holy spirit, your Holy Angels, and your protection.










God has been spiritually marking people for a long time. To the best of my knowledge this is the method Satan’s Secret Society uses to distribute the “spiritual mark of the Beast”, and cause spiritual captivity Revelation 13:10. I understand that the Beast hasn’t been released from the abyss yet, but God will release the spiritual entity at its appointed time to fulfil his purpose. Satan will give the Beast his power, Authority, and the spiritual slaves of evil. Have you received your spiritual stamp of acceptance? If so, did you take it on the forehead becoming a spiritual slave of evil, or on the right hand a servant of the Devil himself? Does this sound hard to believe? Kane was spiritually marked by God for protection. Those who mourned over the Idolatry taking place in Israel were marked with the seal of God on their foreheads for protection. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the Seal of God. There are many accounts in Revelation of spiritual marks being given to man. The Exodus chapter 13 States that God marked the Israelites on their forehands and in their minds.

There is a way out, but it has been difficult for me. Revelation 12:11, Those who overcame, overcame by the blood of the lamb and the “word” of their testimony. They didn’t love their own lives so much as to shrink from death. Hebrews 2:15, By their fear of death they are held in spiritual captivity / bondage. Satan’s “Secret” Society isn’t very secret anymore! It is like a giant octopus with many tentacles reaching far and wide consuming who it can devour.

Here is the rest of the story. Three to four nights later the demon returned in the early am @ about 3am. He wasn’t alone, Satan / Apollyon and the demon’s twin brother was with him. They hovered in the air above the ground, before the olive tree in our back yard. I could see them as the spirit in me manifested them to me! I saw through the spirits eyes. Satan hovered in the middle while the demons were on either side of him. The demon on his left had been thrown into the lake of fire for what he did to me, or I assume. He radiated like a coal pulled from the fire what seemed to be 15’x15′. He was lit up like a Christmas tree! Who will believe this testimony? God will be my witness and yours!

Recommended information Fake truth Movement Exposed 1-12 on you tube. It has insight into who has received what I believe to be the spiritual stamp on there right hand \ Satan's Servants in Hollywood just to name one group. I have discovered many great documentaries exposing the Illuminati Mystery Religions as the Great Stanly Montieth, a real man of God, teaches. X Factor Winner Reveals Worlds Secret Religions on you tube, watch it. So, I'm the only man on Earth with this testimony so I assume. Maybe you could see now why I have tried to remain unanimous posting this and exposing Satan’s not so secret society. I'm a sinner who Loves the Lord Jesus Christ. I would rather be labeled a crazy man than receive the punishment from God for not Blowing the Trumpet. I've warned many, mostly to deaf ears.

Some through the water, some through the flood, I’ve been walking through the fire, but all through the blood. Message delivered. I was Stung, and I am the Witness to the Fifth Trumpet of God Sounding!


Thank you. Chuck. Wake up now or God is going to wake you all up!

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I've already offered up explanations for most of the trumpets in my earlier Chernobyl thread. I won't repeat those here. Instead, I'll simply offer a sequence which seems most likely to me, but I want to stress that the only trumpets I have examined in great detail are trumpets three and five.

Trumpet 1: WWII in Europe
Trumpet 2: WWII in Pacific
Trumpet 3: Chernobyl disaster
Trumpet 4: Black rains in Belarus
Trumpet 5: Gulf War

Of these, the only one I haven't discussed is the fourth trumpet so I'll do so now. It's interesting in that although the black rains in Belarus followed the Chernobyl meltdown and were prompted by it, this was a distinctly different man-made disaster involving a similar horrendous number of deaths. The fact that these rains resulted from a massive Soviet military cloud-seeding operation was not made public until just a few years ago.

Unfortunately what you posted above has nothing to do with the Revelation 6, your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. What you wrote is misleading, was not inspired by the Spirit of Truth, terrible, very terrible.

GOD is the Truth, understand? Jeremiah 10:v.10 - 10 But the Lord is the true GOD, He is the living GOD, and an everlasting King: at His wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide His indignation. - As it is written in Romans 2:v.5 to 16-Check k it.

Day of the Lord
The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our LORD and of His Christ and He will reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:v.15. The Word is GOD, the Word is self-executing according was preestablished and revealed.
THE WORD IS GOD. GREAT MYSTERY. | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )
So, there will be a spiritual BATTLE against this devilish/satanic world ruled by the Old Serpent, called also the Devil and Satan-which deceiveth the whole world-Revelation 12:v.9.
And how do the nations will react? Well, we know that the nations will rage, yeah, will rage, the kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His anointed, saying, "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us", but the LORD will laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Psalm 2
Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon
THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - WHY FROGS?

The LORD said: Joel 2:v.1-3
1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the Dy of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand; (That is this 7th and last Day, the LORD's Day, or seventh and last millennium) Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar? | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )
2 A Day of darkness and of gloominess, a Day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3 A FIRE devoureth before them; and behind them a flame BURNETH: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them A DESOLATE WILDERNESS; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

Psalms 149:v.3-9
3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
4 For the Lord taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute upon them the Judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the Lord.

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In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords

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Micah 4:v.1-5 - The Word is GOD.
1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains (above all earthly Powers), and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall Judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it. - The Word is GOD, the Word is self-executing according was preestablished and revealed -

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.

Micah 2:v.10-Arise ye, and depart; for this is not your rest: because it is polluted, it shall destroy you, even with a sore destruction.

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