Trump vs. Desantis

[JimR-OCDS]

Or maybe in the progressive countries, the populace is not fighting against an opposition that demonizes anything more "progressive" than Dickensian London. They might not have been locked in a power struggle with politicians obsessed with ending Social Security, Medicare, minimum wages, unemployment insurance, pensions, etc. They don't rename programs dictated by "human decency" as "socialism."

To those for whom compassion and human kindness have died, those emotions who make people "human" are called "woke" as a pejorative.

Compare the size of their populations to that of the USA and the diversity in
races, which is near non-existent there.

 

[Fantine]

Compare the prices of gas before Biden took office and after.

The inflation rate December 31 2020, the last day Trump was president,
was 4.2%.

On December 31 2021 after one year with Joe Biden was 7.04%

Currently, it's 8.52%, more than double during Trump years.

Biden did not cause inflation. It is affecting every country in the world. So what is your point exactly?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Biden did not cause inflation. It is affecting every country in the world. So what is your point exactly?

The countries of the world depend on a strong US economy.

Biden and the Democrats went on a spending spree and had to print money
to pay for everything.

Then of course, the New Green Deal, shut down oil drilling which sent oil prices through the roof, especially after Biden ended the contract with Russian to but their oil and gas, after Putin invaded the Ukraine. BTW, it took pressure for Biden to sever the contract. He was still going along with it beforehand.

Yes, Biden and the Democrats are hugely responsible for the inflation rate, and the
Federal Reserve is reacting to it by raising the interest rates.

 

[Fantine]

Look, America gave Republicans the house and most likely the Senate in the face of abortion bans, terrible candidates, and Donald Trump. So, they obviously trust, and want, Republicans to do something different than what's been happening. As far as the party of "old white men" goes, it would seem that all the GOP Hispanic and women candidates were getting beat by....old white democrat men, who party leader is....and old white democrat man. Sorry to burst your racist and sexist worldview bubble that only white men can be Republicans, but Hispanic people and women are, and will continue to be, a major driving force behind the Republican party. The outcome in Florida should, at the very least, make you consider that the media and Democrat politicians have been race baiting you for the past decade or two.

TBT it wasn't voters who are "giving" Republicans a three or four member majority in the House. It was basically the power that Republican majority legislatures had to gerrymander Congressional districts (and their own legislative districts) to get majority results out of minority (quantifiably) voters. Which states? Easy to see. A state with widespread dishonest gerrymandering generally has state officials from one party and legislators from another (e.g. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.) In Michigan voters passed a referendum to return district mapping to a bipartisan commission--and in a blue wave, once districts were fairly set, voters ousted the gerryanderers out of the state legislature.) More and more Democratic governors were elected, and I hope that they will throw their recommendations behind citizen-led referendums to get the anti-democracy cancer of gerrymandering out of our legislatures. (I wish that for my state, too, but my fellow-citizens don't seem to have figured out the relationship between bad outcomes in their lives and the bad representatives they support every two years.)

As far as the Senate goes, we should have and could have won more seats than the 51 we will probably have (given that Georgia has become a lame duck election--other than providing some SNL skit material, electing Walker wouldn't change a thing.) We would have had more than 51 except for hundreds of millions of dollars of dark money filling Republican candidates' campaigns as the RNC realized they were in for a bloodbath.

And their hundreds of millions meant that their Senate didn't bleed out, but was still wounded (thank heavens!)

So that's what you call winning? Cheating/gerrymandering to win the House and dark money from corporations and the NRA "buying" a Senate seat or two?

I certainly would call those 'wins' dishonorable at best.

 

[Jermayn]

TBT it wasn't voters who are "giving" Republicans a three or four member majority in the House. It was basically the power that Republican majority legislatures had to gerrymander Congressional districts (and their own legislative districts) to get majority results out of minority (quantifiably) voters. Which states? Easy to see. A state with widespread dishonest gerrymandering generally has state officials from one party and legislators from another (e.g. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.) In Michigan voters passed a referendum to return district mapping to a bipartisan commission--and in a blue wave, once districts were fairly set, voters ousted the gerryanderers out of the state legislature.) More and more Democratic governors were elected, and I hope that they will throw their recommendations behind citizen-led referendums to get the anti-democracy cancer of gerrymandering out of our legislatures. (I wish that for my state, too, but my fellow-citizens don't seem to have figured out the relationship between bad outcomes in their lives and the bad representatives they support every two years.)

As far as the Senate goes, we should have and could have won more seats than the 51 we will probably have (given that Georgia has become a lame duck election--other than providing some SNL skit material, electing Walker wouldn't change a thing.) We would have had more than 51 except for hundreds of millions of dollars of dark money filling Republican candidates' campaigns as the RNC realized they were in for a bloodbath.

And their hundreds of millions meant that their Senate didn't bleed out, but was still wounded (thank heavens!)

So that's what you call winning? Cheating/gerrymandering to win the House and dark money from corporations and the NRA "buying" a Senate seat or two?

I certainly would call those 'wins' dishonorable at best.

The last person who should be talking about dark money is a Democrat. Ever heard of this little crypto company called FTX? The one that was laundering hundreds of millions of dollars through Ukraine and returning it to the Democrat party?

 

[Fantine]

No, i didn't and am not surprised. Lots of rumors.
I do remember the Russians funneling money to Republicans that was laundered through the NRA, though.

 

[The Barbarian]

They created none of those conditions.
We have been through this.
Biden has turned more away from the border than Trump did.
Inflation is global. Gas prices are due to the war in Ukraine and OPEC.
During the pandemic there was less crime because people didn't leave their homes as much--so when the pandemic ebbed crime increased from COVID- induced lows.
So who would deal with these better? Democrats or Republicans who have lost their grip on reality so much so they still believe a soon-to-be fugitive from justice won the election.
I want my lawmakers to get to work and get a grip.

There you go again, resorting to facts. You know those guys hate facts.

 

[The Barbarian]

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and his team have ignored Donald Trump’s ongoing rhetorical offensive because they believe the former president is only damaging his own brand, an insider told The Post Friday.

“There is no upside to rolling around in the mud with Trump at this point,” the DeSantis source said. “Only downside.”

DeSantis’ famously pugnacious press team has been mute about Trump’s broadsides, and offered no comment on the escalating feud on Friday. The governor himself was spotted in Daytona Beach, surveying damage caused by Tropical Storm Nicole.

DeSantis won’t take Trump bait after repeated attacks: source

“There is no upside to rolling around in the mud with Trump at this point,” the DeSantis source said. “Only downside.”

nypost.com

DeSantis isn't going after Trump directly, but hopes to undermine him, partially by letting Trump throw tantrums as he gains in the polls against him.

 

[Lady Bug]

I wonder though if DeSantis will keep ignoring it all or if he will eventually break and launch his own counterattack.

 

[Lukaris]

I like how people say the demos offer something to youth. Out of all the candidates in the 2020 presidential nomination, we end up with the current president. In the 2022 Pa. Senate primary, a young, intelligent, effective, candidate in Conor Lamb ( who I as a republican still politically oppose) was rejected for someone in his 50s who wears hoodies & acts like a punk.

Compare:

Conor Lamb - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

John Fetterman - Wikipedia.


Yeah, the demos really nominate the best candidates.

 

[Fantine]

I like how people say the demos offer something to youth. Out of all the candidates in the 2020 presidential nomination, we end up with the current president. In the 2022 Pa. Senate primary, a young, intelligent, effective, candidate in Conor Lamb ( who I as a republican still politically oppose) was rejected for someone in his 50s who wears hoodies & acts like a punk.

Lamb was a very conservative Democrat who managed to eke out a win in a conservative House district. Democrats voted for him because he was a Democrat, and independents probably supported him because they felt the Republican was extremist.

But in the statewide primaries Democrats want real Democrats, not watered-down Democrats trying to win in a red district.

In terms of Fetterman's persona and personality, I think that some Democrats are beginning to wonder whether today's political winners need to serve up their policies with a side order of crazy. They see the success of Donald Trump and Boebert and MTG and Gosar and they wonder whether people won't listen to politicians unless they serve up their speeches with a side order of crazy.

Fetterman is definitely over-the-top but he also has a huge heart that I have not observed in any of the aforementioned Republicans.

He is authentic, and when he is fully recovered from his stroke I think he will be a lion of the Senate in the way Bernie Sanders is.

 

[Lukaris]

Lamb was a very conservative Democrat who managed to eke out a win in a conservative House district. Democrats voted for him because he was a Democrat, and independents probably supported him because they felt the Republican was extremist.

But in the statewide primaries Democrats want real Democrats, not watered-down Democrats trying to win in a red district.

In terms of Fetterman's persona and personality, I think that some Democrats are beginning to wonder whether today's political winners need to serve up their policies with a side order of crazy. They see the success of Donald Trump and Boebert and MTG and Gosar and they wonder whether people won't listen to politicians unless they serve up their speeches with a side order of crazy.

Fetterman is definitely over-the-top but he also has a huge heart that I have not observed in any of the aforementioned Republicans.

He is authentic, and when he is fully recovered from his stroke I think he will be a lion of the Senate in the way Bernie Sanders is.

The former mayor of Braddock which shows a 90% population drop over the last century contradicts himself on matters like fracking so his energy approach is probably like the disaster he is. He had no where to go but slightly up in Braddock ( if he even did so). As Lt Gov, he made a big deal out of freeing felons ( saying we can free 1/3 & still have public safety) and paraded a couple sad cases for his propaganda purposes.

It is interesting that some crony of his in his one political ad said that hoodie guy ( I wear hoodies but not for politics) is tough and that Doc Oz wouldn’t last a minute in Braddock. If Braddock had done so well under him, why couldn’t Oz last a minute there? Hmmmm. He could barely articulate in the one debate with Doc Oz. So now he’s magically recovered but when pressed for another debate, the spin was that he was being unfairly targeted as a guy who was sickly.

If Dr Oz was with the jackass “d” party, he would probably have been hailed as the first Moslem Senator if elected. Conor Lamb, though sickeningly endorsed the former mayor of Braddock cause dems always fall in line, had it all over the hoodie guy.

At least I don’t blindly support the GOP, I voted against Trump’s endorsed Pa. governor candidate and voted libertarian.

 

[The Barbarian]

I wonder though if DeSantis will keep ignoring it all or if he will eventually break and launch his own counterattack.

He seems pretty disciplined. I think he's going to let Trump destroy himself.

 

[The Barbarian]

If Dr Oz was with the jackass “d” party, he would probably have been hailed as the first Moslem Senator if elected.

Too late for that. But the democrats haven't been much interested in putting up fruitcake candidates like Oz. Even Mitch McConnell pointed out that the real disaster for republicans this election cycle was poor quality candidates.

Mitch McConnell concedes ‘candidate quality’ may mean Republicans fail to flip Senate in midterm elections​

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Lukaris]

Too late for that. But the democrats haven't been much interested in putting up fruitcake candidates like Oz. Even Mitch McConnell pointed out that the real disaster for republicans this election cycle was poor quality candidates.

Mitch McConnell concedes ‘candidate quality’ may mean Republicans fail to flip Senate in midterm elections​

MSN

www.msn.com

Mit

Too late for that. But the democrats haven't been much interested in putting up fruitcake candidates like Oz. Even Mitch McConnell pointed out that the real disaster for republicans this election cycle was poor quality candidates.

Mitch McConnell concedes ‘candidate quality’ may mean Republicans fail to flip Senate in midterm elections​

MSN

www.msn.com

Too late for that. But the democrats haven't been much interested in putting up fruitcake candidates like Oz. Even Mitch McConnell pointed out that the real disaster for republicans this election cycle was poor quality candidates.

Mitch McConnell concedes ‘candidate quality’ may mean Republicans fail to flip Senate in midterm elections​

MSN

www.msn.com

Maybe Mitch wanted it

Too late for that. But the democrats haven't been much interested in putting up fruitcake candidates like Oz. Even Mitch McConnell pointed out that the real disaster for republicans this election cycle was poor quality candidates.

Mitch McConnell concedes ‘candidate quality’ may mean Republicans fail to flip Senate in midterm elections​

MSN

www.msn.com

I remember his “sober assessment” and perhaps he is not so wise. Whatever his skepticism was it might have been better to have taken a wait and see approach whatever the outcome. Perhaps, he did not want a red wave, political schemers can boggle the mind.


Sorry about the way my post came out with the hodgepodge of quote & reply boxes. This new version of CF is a problem for me anyway.

 

[The Barbarian]

Sorry about the way my post came out with the hodgepodge of quote & reply boxes. This new version of CF is a problem for me anyway.

No problem. It was clear what you were saying. I figure he had Herschel, Oz, and Kari Lake in mind.

 

[jacks]

Desantis is probably a stronger candidate. Not as many people shudder at his very name and more people would likely be willing to openly support him.

 

[The Barbarian]

Desantis is probably a stronger candidate. Not as many people shudder at his very name and more people would likely be willing to openly support him.

I think so. The irony seems to be that Trump (for now) can beat him in the primaries, but DeSantis probably has a realistic chance of winning the general election. And Trump seems to have no hope of doing that, now.

I suspect that, as time goes on, Trump's support will erode, and if everything goes well for DeSantis, Trump will just back out without trying to burn down the party on his way out.

 

[JacksBratt]

Biden did not cause inflation. It is affecting every country in the world. So what is your point exactly?

Ya, it is.. But, not to the extent that it is in the US.
Trudea, in Canada, is trippling taxes on gas, oil, propane and such.. He is creating more inflation.
Same with Biden. The 18 executive orders that he signed on his first day... pushed the US over the top and down a steep grade.

Just watching him do it.. that first day.. anyone could see that he should have been doing the opposite.

However, the people with their hand up his back.. controling his mouth actions... are not the authors of a comedy act. They are the authors of the doom of middle class.. Not just in the US.. but many countries where they have the politicians on their payroll...

 

[JacksBratt]

No, i didn't and am not surprised. Lots of rumors.
I do remember the Russians funneling money to Republicans that was laundered through the NRA, though.

You may of thought that this was a rumor.. on the day you posted this.. Bet your aware that this is no rumor now..

You know how to tell how important an event like this is... The actual importance of something inversly proportionate to the amount of coverage it gets on CNN and MSNBC.

In other words.. This is huge.