Trump to strip protections from Tongass National Forest

[Desk trauma]

So the American public is actually paying the logging companies to make a profit?

Wouldn't it just be easier and more ecologically reasonable to just give the companies what they would have earned and tell them to stay out of the forests?

No, clearly that would be <que dramatic music> Socialism!

 

[Arc F1]

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President Trump will open up more than half of Alaska’s Tongass National Forest to logging and other forms of development, according to a notice posted Wednesday, stripping protections that had safeguarded one of the world’s largest intact temperate rainforests for nearly two decades.

As of Thursday, it will be legal for logging companies to build roads and cut and remove timber throughout more than 9.3 million acres of forest — featuring old-growth stands of red and yellow cedar, Sitka spruce and Western hemlock.

We need building materials. Cutting the old trees are nothing compared to what will have to be done for the green deal. If that ever gets approved we will have to cut down all the trees and start strip mining. I don't think most people have any idea about the amount of resources it takes to build and remodel.

 

[Arc F1]

So the American public is actually paying the logging companies to make a profit?

Wouldn't it just be easier and more ecologically reasonable to just give the companies what they would have earned and tell them to stay out of the forests?

Smaller more efficient government is the answer.

 

[Jimmy D]

Cutting the old trees are nothing compared to what will have to be done for the green deal. If that ever gets approved we will have to cut down all the trees and start strip mining

Eh?

What’s all that about?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

So the American public is actually paying the logging companies to make a profit?

The American public paid for NASA to supposedly go to the moon and bring back a few rocks that didn’t benefit anyone.

The American public paid for the endless wars that have killed millions started by the Democrats.

The American public has had to pay farmers to NOT grow food that could feed starving people under Clinton.

Why the outrage for a few trees that will create jobs and provide for families?

 

[Arc F1]

Eh?

What’s all that about?

We will either have to mine these materials or shift it to China. Takes a lot of rare earth materials and lumber for a massive change.

Green New Deal would fuel ‘massive increase’ in mining for batteries, turbines, solar panels: Report

 

[Jimmy D]

We will either have to mine these materials or shift it to China. Takes a lot of rare earth materials and lumber for a massive change.

Green New Deal would fuel ‘massive increase’ in mining for batteries, turbines, solar panels: Report

Thanks.

 

[durangodawood]

Given that the Tongass forest has been doing fine for THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS, of years, what, exactly is logging going to be saving it from?

Mainly that argument applies to dryer forests where humans have suppressed natural fire for decades to protect our own development interests. Logging is meant to mitigate the imbalance we caused ourselves.

 

[Hank77]

Given that the Tongass forest has been doing fine for THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS, of years, what, exactly is logging going to be saving it from?

Generic term 'a forest' not specific to the Tongass.

 

[MIDutch]

Generic term 'a forest' not specific to the Tongass.

So, specifically, given that the Tongass forest has been doing fine for THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS, of years, what, exactly is logging going to be saving it from?

This thread is about trump opening up the Tongass forest to logging, not a "generic term 'a forest' ".

 

[renniks]

Mainly that argument applies to dryer forests where humans have suppressed natural fire for decades to protect our own development interests. Logging is meant to mitigate the imbalance we caused ourselves.

No, nature doesn't naturally balance itself in the way people imagine. Being good stewards often means harvesting to better the land overall.
Nature's way of "balance" tends to be feast or famine. It always bothers my mind that people don't think we are a part of nature or that we have anything to do with managing it, especially when that's exactly what God tells us to do in Genesis.

 

[durangodawood]

No, nature doesn't naturally balance itself in the way people imagine. Being good stewards often means harvesting to better the land overall.
Nature's way of "balance" tends to be feast or famine. It always bothers my mind that people don't think we are a part of nature or that we have anything to do with managing it, especially when that's exactly what God tells us to do in Genesis.

There were absolutely thriving ecosystems for a relative forever prior to humans coming on the scene.

Mainly what we need to manage is our own co-existence with various environments. And I do think that takes management.

 

[MIDutch]

Smaller more efficient government is the answer.

And let companies and corporations rape and pillage the planet.

Yes, that always seems to be the answer for corporate greed enablers.

 

[MIDutch]

No, nature doesn't naturally balance itself in the way people imagine. Being good stewards often means harvesting to better the land overall.
Nature's way of "balance" tends to be feast or famine. It always bothers my mind that people don't think we are a part of nature or that we have anything to do with managing it, especially when that's exactly what God tells us to do in Genesis.

We humans have only been on the scene in any great numbers for a few thousand years. Nature was balancing itself quite nicely for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of years.

How supremely arrogant do you have to be to think we're doing a better job than nature does.

 

[Desk trauma]

And let companies and corporations rape and pillage the planet.

Yes, that always seems to be the answer for corporate greed enablers.

Not just let, subsidize so they get all the profits while we pay most of the operating costs.

 

[FireDragon76]

Then there's no need to bring race into the picture. But they did. It's very telling.

Native American tribal identity is based on belonging to a community, not race. The actor Lou Diamond Philips, for instance, is ethnically Filipino but he belongs to a tribe of the Lakota also.

 

[renniks]

We humans have only been on the scene in any great numbers for a few thousand years. Nature was balancing itself quite nicely for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of years.

How supremely arrogant do you have to be to think we're doing a better job than nature does.

We have been here from the start and yes, we have the God-given responsibility to manage nature.

Lol, you speak as if nature itself has a brain and is capable of perfect balance. I've seen how nature "balances" through disease and starvation is how " gentle" mother nature balances herself. We are much more humane.

 

[Brightmoon]

We have been here from the start and yes, we have the God-given responsibility to manage nature.

Lol, you speak as if nature itself has a brain and is capable of perfect balance. I've seen how nature "balances" through disease and starvation is how " gentle" mother nature balances herself. We are much more humane.

. These are misconceptions of how nature works . We don’t really understand biological processes enough to be able to do that . For a few centuries our ignorance of nature wasn’t going to be a problem but now it is as humans have become too destructive

 

[tturt]

What caused some of the fires in CA recently?

 

[durangodawood]

What caused some of the fires in CA recently?

"Cause" means different things.

There's what caused ignition. Then there's what caused the fires to be so hot, fast, and massive.