Trump, State Of The Union, What Ya Think?

[pat34lee]

What do the Dem's have to apologise for? What they did at the SOTU speech was tradition for both parties for years.

Find me a video of Republicans sitting on their hands
during any Democrat's speech. It never happened.
There is this thing called courtesy, which applies when
respect does not.

 

[DZoolander]

Find me a video of Republicans sitting on their hands
during any Democrat's speech. It never happened.
There is this thing called courtesy, which applies when
respect does not.

Are you really asking that same question again, just about 6-7 hours after someone else posted videos to you of it in another thread? lol

 

[Truth7t7]

Find me a video of Republicans sitting on their hands
during any Democrat's speech. It never happened.
There is this thing called courtesy, which applies when
respect does not.

I think sleeping in their seats is more like it, like ole Justice Ruth Ginsberg has been caught doing.

Im glad to see the Truth from Trump's lips in thd Guantanamo prison releases, terriost right back to the battle fields killing I been telling liberal aquaintances this for years and being called a liar.

Unfortunately the battle between the liberals and conservatives will continue, as long as good & evil exist as I see it.

 

[DZoolander]

I think sleeping in their seats is more like it, like ole Justice Ruth Ginsberg has been caught doing.

Im glad to see the Truth from Trump's lips in thd Guantanamo prison releases, terriost right back to the battle fields killing I been telling liberal aquaintances this for years and being called a liar.

Unfortunately the battle between the liberals and conservatives will continue, as long as good & evil exist as I see it.

Yep, and it's too bad the conservatives have been fighting for the side of evil!

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you really asking that same question again, just about 6-7 hours after someone else posted videos to you of it in another thread? lol

Whats your position on Jesus Christ being savior to the world?

Same Sex Marriage?

Killing the unborn, abortion?

 

[pat34lee]

Are you really asking that same question again, just about 6-7 hours after someone else posted videos to you of it in another thread? lol

I haven't seen it yet. Anyway, as you say, that's another thread.

Edit:
Saw it now. Answered it on the other thread.

 

[DZoolander]

Whats your position on Jesus Christ being savior to the world?

Same Sex Marriage?

Killing the unborn, abortion?

What does that have to do with the question I asked? Or did you mean to ask me in reference to my saying that Conservatives are on the side of evil?

 

[DZoolander]

Whats your position on Jesus Christ being savior to the world?

Same Sex Marriage?

Killing the unborn, abortion?

Assuming that's what you were asking me about - lol

Not sure what the first question has to do with anything. Are you suggesting there aren't plenty of Christians who believe that Jesus is the savior of the world and Democrats as well? Or that people who don't believe that (whether they be atheists, jews, etc. in the Democratic or Republican party) are evil?

Same sex marriage is a stupid issue, IMHO. So long as the state isn't coming along and telling churches they must perform gay marriage regardless of their position on the issue - what does it matter?

Gay marriage = the state recognizing their union and bestowing the same legal rights to them in things like property, health concerns, etc. as what heterosexual people have. No more, no less. Why THAT has become an issue is beyond me.

Abortion? That's a nuanced answer and beyond what I care to get into here since it's not an abortion debate. But - let's say I will grant you that one.

It's like you are hanging your entire argument around abortion - and I'd argue that the world is far more complex filled with many many many issues that constitute good and evil. Neither side has an exclusivity on "good"/virtue, neither side has an exclusivity on "evil".

Heck - I remember during the last presidential primary debates (before this last Trump cycle) Ron Paul being asked if people ought be left to die because they couldn't afford treatment...and the crowd screaming "yeah!" and cheering the idea. That's pretty evil to me.

To boil the entire thing down to abortion is naive IMHO...and I'd argue that a fair case could be made that by and large - when it comes to the teachings of Jesus - the GOP falls pretty darn short.

But hey - "abortion!" lol

Now - the TRUTH - is that both sides have their strengths and weaknesses - and I bristle when I hear the kind of stuff you spouted about "so long as there's good vs evil". Sorry. The presupposition that either side is "good" or "evil" is wrong in my opinion.

 

[Truth7t7]

Assuming that's what you were asking me about - lol

Not sure what the first question has to do with anything. Are you suggesting there aren't plenty of Christians who believe that Jesus is the savior of the world and Democrats as well? Or that people who don't believe that (whether they be atheists, jews, etc. in the Democratic or Republican party) are evil?

Same sex marriage is a stupid issue, IMHO. So long as the state isn't coming along and telling churches they must perform gay marriage regardless of their position on the issue - what does it matter?

Gay marriage = the state recognizing their union and bestowing the same legal rights to them in things like property, health concerns, etc. as what heterosexual people have. No more, no less. Why THAT has become an issue is beyond me.

Abortion? That's a nuanced answer and beyond what I care to get into here since it's not an abortion debate. But - let's say I will grant you that one.

It's like you are hanging your entire argument around abortion - and I'd argue that the world is far more complex filled with many many many issues that constitute good and evil. Neither side has an exclusivity on "good"/virtue, neither side has an exclusivity on "evil".

Heck - I remember during the last presidential primary debates (before this last Trump cycle) Ron Paul being asked if people ought be left to die because they couldn't afford treatment...and the crowd screaming "yeah!" and cheering the idea. That's pretty evil to me.

To boil the entire thing down to abortion is naive IMHO...and I'd argue that a fair case could be made that by and large - when it comes to the teachings of Jesus - the GOP falls pretty darn short.

But hey - "abortion!" lol

Now - the TRUTH - is that both sides have their strengths and weaknesses - and I bristle when I hear the kind of stuff you spouted about "so long as there's good vs evil". Sorry. The presupposition that either side is "good" or "evil" is wrong in my opinion.

Men sleeping with Men, ah it's their right?

"Not according to my Holy Bible!

Not too long ago Sodomy was illegal in the western world, looks like the fulfillment of scripturs is upon us.

"Just As It Was In The Day's Of Sodom"

Luke 17:29-30

Abortion, Killing The Unborn Is A Lol To You?

I believe killing The unborn is one of the greatest evil's in the world today, pure evil!

 

[DZoolander]

Men sleeping with Men, ah it's their right?

"Not according to my Holy Bible!

Not too long ago Sodomy was illegal in the western world, looks like the fulfillment of scripturs is upon us.

"Just As It Was In The Day's Of Sodom"

Luke 17:29-30

Abortion, Killing The Unborn Is A Lol To You?

I believe killing The unborn is one of the greatest evil's in the world today, pure evil!

Whether or not men sleeping together is right or wrong from a Biblical perspective IMHO has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they ought be afforded as taxpayers the same sort of legal benefits that are enjoyed by other groups. So long as the state isn't coming beating down your door and telling you that your church has to perform the services, it's a non issue IMHO.

Abortion is not an LOL to me - but I refuse to believe that the litmus test to morality trumping every other issue is abortion. Sorry. How much time does Jesus spend giving forewarnings about the issue? So far as I read - He spends the bulk of His time talking about man's treatment of his fellow man.

And by those standards - it could very well be argued that the positions taken by the GOP are far more "evil" than anything taken by the Dems.

But of course - many people seem to think that their opposition to the singular issue of Abortion gives them a mulligan on everything else.

 

[Truth7t7]

Whether or not men sleeping together is right or wrong from a Biblical perspective IMHO has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they ought be afforded as taxpayers the same sort of legal benefits that are enjoyed by other groups. So long as the state isn't coming beating down your door and telling you that your church has to perform the services, it's a non issue IMHO.

Abortion is not an LOL to me - but I refuse to believe that the litmus test to morality trumping every other issue is abortion. Sorry. How much time does Jesus spend giving forewarnings about the issue? So far as I read - He spends the bulk of His time talking about man's treatment of his fellow man.

And by those standards - it could very well be argued that the positions taken by the GOP are far more "evil" than anything taken by the Dems.

But of course - many people seem to think that their opposition to the singular issue of Abortion gives them a mulligan on everything else.

Men Can't Marry Men, Nature Tells You So.

Man+Woman Joined As One Flesh=Marriage

You much time does Jesus spend on the issue of Abortion?

Jesus talks about man treating his fellow man?

I praise God Obama is Gone, one more conservative supreme court appointment and we can turn this nation around.

Men Sleeping With Men = Abomination

Protected status for a sexual choice against nature, next it will be marry animals to have vetinarian protection.

Marry a Mother, Father, Brother, Or Sister.

The horse is dead, thank God were heading in a conservative direction.

Trumps last words as he looked and pointed at the inscription above his head, "In God We Trust", beautiful!

Amen!

 

[DZoolander]

lol - 'k then

We'll agree to disagree in Jesus's name

 

[DZoolander]

nevermind this post - redundant

 

[revanneosl]

This thread is what happens when you let the sportsball coaches teach Social Studies for two generations.

 

[DZoolander]

This thread is what happens when you let the sportsball coaches teach Social Studies for two generations.

"I'm just sayin' - God made Adam and Eve...not Adam and Steve. So no legal recognition for them!"

 

[pat34lee]

And by those standards - it could very well be argued that the positions taken by the GOP are far more "evil" than anything taken by the Dems.

But of course - many people seem to think that their opposition to the singular issue of Abortion gives them a mulligan on everything else.

You got my attention. Name one position taken by the GOP
that is more evil than killing our children. Remember that
abortion rights came from the days of free love and "there
should be no consequences for sex" that started in the 60's.

As for single issues, the only biblical one is sin. God hates it.

 

[tulc]

You got my attention. Name one position taken by the GOP
that is more evil than killing our children. Remember that
abortion rights came from the days of free love and "there
should be no consequences for sex" that started in the 60's. (emph. added)

..it also started under a Republican administration.
tulc(wonders why no one ever talks about that in these discussions)

 

[DZoolander]

You got my attention. Name one position taken by the GOP
that is more evil than killing our children. Remember that
abortion rights came from the days of free love and "there
should be no consequences for sex" that started in the 60's.

As for single issues, the only biblical one is sin. God hates it.

Well, first let me address the abortion issue.

While I may have a lot of ethical qualms about abortion - I simply cannot get behind you guys on it as an issue. Mostly this is because of the (what I believe to be) kooky way abortion voters address the issue. I cannot accept it in the "absolute" way you guys seem to want to address it.

Let me try and explain what I mean by that. For all intents and purposes - it seems like you guys define "abortion" as terminating ANY pregnancy from the instant that the sperm fertilizes the egg. In other words, you guys have the same moral qualms over someone taking a Plan B pill the day after sex as you do someone getting an abortion in the 25th week.

Sorry - but I can't accept that.

Then you appear to want no exceptions whatsoever. Fetus has incredible deformities where it has no brain functioning whatsoever, it cannot survive outside the womb, and it jeopardizes the mother's life? Nope - sorry. No abortion for you! All abortions are to be banned! I've read cases where there was some sort of problem with the pregnancy, and it was a foregone conclusion that the fetus would not survive the pregnancy, and the GOP state laws forced the mother to feel her fetus in distress for a few days dying inside her until she delivered the stillborn. Why? Because of these absolutist type laws.

While I might be on your side if humane exceptions were made in cases like that, or we were having debates about when was a reasonable cutoff date where abortions were no longer permissible without exemptions made for extreme situations, but that's not where ya guys wanna take it. Most of the abortion voters want to ban every single termination of pregnancy from the moment of conception - and scream murder about things like Plan B/etc.

That's just not where I'm at, and I can't get on board with that.

Then there's just so much nonsense about the issue. Like in the last election cycle...everyone screaming and yelling about "How Hillary Supports No Bans on Abortion! Even Late Term Abortions! SHe wants late term abortions - with no limits!" Blah Blah.

That's not what she said. She said something along the lines of what I'm saying. That there ought not be outright BANS because if you BAN something - even if it's medically necessary - that means it can't be done. I don't want people willy nilly having late term abortions either. But - I don't want them BANNED. Because there might be someone that NEEDS one - where their life is contingent upon it - etc. It would be irresponsible and unethical to ban it altogether.

But hey - that doesn't fit into the political agenda of the GOP to say that - and it sure doesn't fit into the agenda of those that seem to want to spend their time hurling plastic fetuses at people at clinics.

And I won't even get into how statistics are manipulated (in other words lies) about how often they happen, what percent of overall abortions actually occur after like the 9th or 10th week, etc. Listening to anti abortion folks - you'd swear that there were hordes of people having third trimester abortions willy nilly - simply because they were experiencing buyer's remorse...etc. That's simply not reality.

For those reasons - I'm not on "your side" when it comes to the state of how abortion is discussed nowadays.

...and for those reasons I can't get behind the "evil" argument about it.

As for what the GOP does?

Like I said in my earlier post - I remember in the previous (before Trump) primary season for president. I remember Ron Paul in the primary debates being asked if someone couldn't afford insurance - if they ought be left to die simply because they couldn't afford treatment/couldn't afford insurance. I remember the audience yelling "yes!" and cheering the idea.

When you look at the teachings of Christ - that's pretty darn evil. And I'd argue - that sense of selfishness, "I'm not responsible for you", "There are winners and losers and you being loser is your fault", blah blah attitude that has overwhelmed the GOP is so far outside of the teachings of Christ as to be considered "Evil".

And this idea that because you oppose abortion - you're granted a mulligan on all of that other stuff gives me real problems. lol

 

[DZoolander]

GOP pretty much in a nutshell imho

 

[pat34lee]

..it also started under a Republican administration.
tulc(wonders why no one ever talks about that in these discussions)

Perhaps nobody brings it up because it doesn't matter
under whose administration it started. It was the hippies
and socialists that were the driving force.