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You have to be kidding me to say that. We have all been saved by faith in Christ. Then the "same ilk" is no longer there to be found.

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

That is why we have believers who wish Hillary was elected! ;)
ilk ilk/ noun
  1. a type of people or things similar to those already referred to.
    "the veiled suggestions that reporters of his ilk seem to be so good at"
    synonyms: type, sort, class, category, group, set, breed, strain, bracket, genre, make, model, kind, brand, vintage, stamp, style, family, variety
    "a film of this ilk comes packaged with a fair deal of violence"
    • SCOTTISHarchaic
      of the place or estate of the same name.
      noun: of that ilk; plural noun: of that ilks
      "Sir Iain Moncreiffe of that Ilk"
Philippians 2:1-5 (KJV)
1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
likeminded - G5426 φρονέω phroneō fron-eh'-o from <G5424>
from <G5424> (phren); to exercise the mind, i.e. entertain or have a sentiment or opinion; by implication to be (mentally) disposed (more or less earnestly in a certain direction); intensive to interest oneself in (with concern or obedience) :- set the affection on, (be) care (-ful), (be like-, + be of one, + be of the same, + let this) mind (-ed), regard, savour, think.
Vine's Words: Care, Careful, Carefully, Carefulness, Feel, Feeling, Felt, Mind, Minded, Regard, Think, Thought (to take)
English Words used in KJV: think 5 regard 4 mind 3 be minded 3 savour 2
be of the same mind + <G846> 2 be like minded + <G846> 2
miscellaneous translations 8 [Total Count: 29]
one accord - G4861 σύμψυχος sympsychos soom'-psoo-khos
Root: from <G4862> and <G5590>
from <G4862> (sun) and <G5590> (psuche); co-spirited, i.e. similar in sentiment :- like-minded.
Vine's Words: Accord English Words used in KJV:of one accord 1 [Total Count: 1]
mind - G 5426 φρονέω phroneō
fron-eh'-o Root: from <G5424> TDNT - 9:220,1277
Vine's Words: Care, Careful, Carefully, Carefulness, Feel, Feeling, Felt, Mind, Minded, Regard, Think, Thought (to take)
English Words used in KJV: think 5 regard 4 mind 3 be minded 3 savour 2 be of the same mind + <G846> 2
be like minded + <G846> 2 miscellaneous translations 8 [Total Count: 29]
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
 
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My comprehension skills are fine and am able to answer questions and info posed to me. But not a problem...I understood at a certain point you wouldn't be able to respond to your assertions that I questioned, we've all made false assertions and misstatements before.
You confuse... "Not able to." With "not wanting to."

Then... you run with your assumption, cross the finish line... and demand a trophy with a statue made in your image. :angel:
 
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ilk ilk/ noun
  1. a type of people or things similar to those already referred to.
    "the veiled suggestions that reporters of his ilk seem to be so good at"
    synonyms: type, sort, class, category, group, set, breed, strain, bracket, genre, make, model, kind, brand, vintage, stamp, style, family, variety
    "a film of this ilk comes packaged with a fair deal of violence"
    • SCOTTISHarchaic
      of the place or estate of the same name.
      noun: of that ilk; plural noun: of that ilks
      "Sir Iain Moncreiffe of that Ilk"
Philippians 2:1-5 (KJV)
1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
likeminded - G5426 φρονέω phroneō fron-eh'-o from <G5424>
from <G5424> (phren); to exercise the mind, i.e. entertain or have a sentiment or opinion; by implication to be (mentally) disposed (more or less earnestly in a certain direction); intensive to interest oneself in (with concern or obedience) :- set the affection on, (be) care (-ful), (be like-, + be of one, + be of the same, + let this) mind (-ed), regard, savour, think.
Vine's Words: Care, Careful, Carefully, Carefulness, Feel, Feeling, Felt, Mind, Minded, Regard, Think, Thought (to take)
English Words used in KJV: think 5 regard 4 mind 3 be minded 3 savour 2
be of the same mind + <G846> 2 be like minded + <G846> 2
miscellaneous translations 8 [Total Count: 29]
one accord - G4861 σύμψυχος sympsychos soom'-psoo-khos
Root: from <G4862> and <G5590>
from <G4862> (sun) and <G5590> (psuche); co-spirited, i.e. similar in sentiment :- like-minded.
Vine's Words: Accord English Words used in KJV:eek:f one accord 1 [Total Count: 1]
mind - G 5426 φρονέω phroneō
fron-eh'-o Root: from <G5424> TDNT - 9:220,1277
Vine's Words: Care, Careful, Carefully, Carefulness, Feel, Feeling, Felt, Mind, Minded, Regard, Think, Thought (to take)
English Words used in KJV: think 5 regard 4 mind 3 be minded 3 savour 2 be of the same mind + <G846> 2
be like minded + <G846> 2 miscellaneous translations 8 [Total Count: 29]
3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

How come you "guys" always choose to place 'gnats' under a magnifying glass?

But, never see the elephant in the room?

This place is a good lesson in learning what Jesus spoke about....

And, was complaining about.

OK Lord. I get it.
 
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You confuse... "Not able to." With "not wanting to."

Then... you run with your assumption, cross the finish line... and demand a trophy with a statue made in your image. :angel:

No, assumptions precise quotes from you, have any answers?

Do you understand the Biblical distinction between God's prescriptive/efficacious will and his Permissive will? No Answer - so, evidently you do not.

You wrote: "Are you saying it was God's perfect will for us to have Obama in office? Who made sure to have crosses covered over in places he was to speak?"

My response: Why not read exactly what I said regarding God's efficacious and permissive will...that is what I wrote and that is what I am saying. Secondly, I guess if you listen/watch fox news then that is "fake" news https://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/obama-at-georgetown/ No Answer

You wrote: What does that say for all the liberals who (with blind eye) are seen by you as paragons of virtue?

What kind of junk do liberals think they can keep dumping into the argument when many in your own party do far worse?

This is a JOKE? Lately.. liberals are deploying an irrationality/denial tactic. Its designed to confuse and throw the one they oppose off balance. But, they only succeed to confuse. Confusion loves company it seems.


My response: Could you please show me where exactly I claimed that "liberals" are "paragons of virtue". No Answer - probably no answer because I never made that statement, so a false assertion on your part.

What "junk" was dumped into the argument? No Answer - Perhaps the "junk" is a figment of your bias imagination, or as it appears you are the one dumping junk.

Worse than what? No Answer

Please elaborate on what was "deployed" as irrational/denial tactic? No Answer - it would seem quite clear that your inability to actually engage in this exchange turns the "deployment of irrationality and denial tactic" back onto you.

Confusion?, please explain perhaps I may help. No Answer - it seems that you are the one that is confused.

So I believe it is well attested who exactly is "Not able to." and "not wanting to." One further question, what assumptions have I made, other then thinking you might actually respond to the questions regarding your statements?
 
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In the mean time I will keep growing in grace and knowledge of God's Word... leaving you at that small train station, refusing to get onboard the train that had a ticket waiting for you free of charge.

I have been doing this for many years. I used to try to reason with someone like yourself. Patiently reasoning, at that. Now? "There it is again! move on..."

FYI..if I had something to say that I though some others here would benefit from? I would try winning the argument.... patiently. Never expecting you to change.
 
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In the mean time I will keep growing in grace and knowledge of God's Word... leaving you at that small train station, refusing to get onboard the train that had a ticket waiting for you free of charge.

I have been doing this for many years. I used to try to reason with someone like yourself. Patiently reasoning, at that. Now? "There it is again! move on..."

FYI..if I had something to say that I though some others here would benefit from? I would try winning the argument.... patiently. Never expecting you to change.

Not a problem, but consider the simple fact that you made statements that you could not defend. Now you hide behind the fallacious notion that you used reason...reason would suggest that you answer the questions from the statements that you made. You also hide behind the suggestion that "some others would benefit" then you should have thought of that before you made assertions that were false and unsupportable.

If you have been doing this for years then you should know that what you say can and will be questioned. And no, you have not tried to reason with me which anyone reading our exchange realizes, a reasoned response would have been required.

Since you are so fond of quotes consider this in regard to your inane train scenario:

“If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction.” Bonhoeffer
 
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Since you are so fond of quotes consider this in regard to your inane train scenario:

So, I cite one quote? Now I am so found of quotes.

Anything else?

In the mean time..

God (for now) has saved the USA when He thrust down a sword right into the Deep State's dark heart!

He changes times and seasons;
He deposes kings and raises up others.
He gives wisdom to the wise
and knowledge to the discerning." Dan 2:21


The Lord is being propitious to the USA for the sake of a small remnant that has been remaining true to keep on growing continuously in grace and in sound doctrine. Yes, they yet live amongst us, with others unaware.

Grace and peace...
 
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If you have been doing this for years then you should know that what you say can and will be questioned.

When the reaction received reveals I am working with the wrong kind of thinking. What can I say?

I am wrong in your eyes. Right? That should be sufficient for you not to want to pursue this with me. For, what could you possibly learn from me if that is the case?

I have actually said very little. And, its blown up into this? I was simply testing the waters.

I perceive a competitive "blind drive" to prove oneself right. That is like arguing about two different ball teams when that happens. I don't want to argue out of a love to argue. Some people live to do that.

Grace and peace...
 
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The Lord is being propitious to the USA for the sake of a small remnant that has been remaining true to keep on growing continuously in grace and in sound doctrine. Yes, they yet live amongst us, with others unaware.
The Lord is no more propitious towards the USA than any other country. The Lord does not care for the USA any more than any other country. The Lord does not have any sort of respect whatsoever for men's nations.

The USA is cursed with an immoral spirit of mammon-worship; if anything, the USA is one of the most cursed nations on earth. The material gains that people see as "success" is the proof that the USA worships mammon and rejects God. And, sadly, at the vanguard of the materialistic mammon worship are people who claim to be Christians while the fruits they bear indicate otherwise.
 
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The Lord is no more propitious towards the USA than any other country. The Lord does not care for the USA any more than any other country. The Lord does not have any sort of respect whatsoever for men's nations.

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless,
how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything,
except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men"
Mt 5:13​

Salt to the ancients acted as a preservative. And, it gave food enhanced good taste. When believers in sufficient numbers become salt, that nation is preserved by God and their culture has great taste. Salt believers in a nation keeps those who have the desire towards degeneracy to be restrained by God for the sake of the faithful.

Now..

What was that gathered crowd doing to make those whom Jesus was teaching to be called 'salt?' They were listening intently and concentrating on hearing the Word of God. They desired truth.

There were nations in the past that had strong segments of positive believers within its people. God had blessed and prospered them. But? When future generations lost interest and desire waned? Those nations atrophied and God removed their national prosperity.

God will be propitious to only the nations who have a people in sufficient numbers who's God is the Lord. Not, propitious towards believers who's god is some sect... or denomination, or traditional way of thinking.

Britain used to have a very strong element of doctrinal believers in the land. When that was taking place? The sun never set on the Union Jack. When England began to retreat spiritually? The nation's national blessing began to shrink. France also at a time once had a strong element of believers. France prospered then. Same for the Dutch. And, Germany... Wherever a land had a strong element of believers who hungered for the Word of God.

Godless Communist Russia during the cold war was what? Blessed? It was a nation of vodka saturated people living in darkness.... Yet, there was yet a tiny remnant still alive and needing to hide underground. But, in such low numbers they were like the Lord finding only five righteous in Sodom. Not enough to demand God blessing on the land.

The USA has been going the way of the other once great nations because we have become inundated with so much lukewarm believers who many times seek weak or false teachings... Yet, we (apparently) still have a strong enough remnant living with us that God should see fit, to spare us of the destruction Hillary would have caused if truth did not prevail with those who are salt.

If we did not have enough salt in the land? As Jesus warned, God would have tossed us out to be trampled upon by men. By humanism and socialism and the deep state taking over... Good bye America.

Wishing you a nice Day.
 
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“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless,
how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything,
except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men"
Mt 5:13​

Salt to the ancients acted as a preservative. And, it gave food enhanced good taste. When believers in sufficient numbers become salt, that nation is preserved by God and their culture has great taste. Salt believers in a nation keeps those who have the desire towards degeneracy to be restrained by God for the sake of the faithful.

Now? What was that "salt" doing to make those whom Jesus was teaching to be called 'salt?' They were listening intently and concentrating on hearing the Word of God. They desired truth from God.

There were nations in the past that had strong segments of positive believers within its people. God had blessed and prospered them. But? When future generations lost interest and desire waned? Those nations atrophied and God removed their national prosperity.

God will be propitious to only the nations who have a people in sufficient numbers who's God is the Lord. Not, propitious towards believers who's god is some sect... or denomination, or traditional way of thinking.

Britain used to have a very strong element of doctrinal believers in the land. When that was taking place? The sun never set on the Union Jack. When England began to retreat spiritually? The nation's national blessing began to shrink. France also at a time once had a strong element of believers. France prospered then. Same for the Dutch. And, Germany... Wherever a land had a strong element of believers who hungered for the Word of God.

Godless Communist Russia during the cold war was what? Blessed? It was a nation of vodka saturated people living in darkness.... Yet, there was yet a tiny remnant still alive and needing to hide underground. But, in such low numbers they were like the Lord finding only five righteous in Sodom. Not enough to demand God blessing on the land.

The USA has been going the way of the other once great nations because we have become inundated with so much lukewarm believers who many times seek weak or false teachings... Yet, we (apparently) still have a strong enough remnant living with us that God should see fit, to spare us of the destruction Hillary would have caused if truth did not prevail with those who are salt.

If we did not have enough salt in the land? As Jesus warned, God would have tossed us out to be trampled upon by men. By humanism and socialism... Good bye America.

Wishing you a nice Day.
The verse you provide mentions nothing at all about "nations". You added every single notion of "nations". The verse you provided is telling Christians that they are the salt of the earth and has nothing to do with nations. You simply added your theory about nations being blessed and favored by God and asserted it repeatedly but you have failed to provide ANYTHING from God's Word supporting what is simply your own opinion. Your opinion is based entirely in your own bias and not one iota on God's Word.

But here's something from God's Word about our nation of America:
Matthew 6:24
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money"

I Timothy 6:9-12
But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs. But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness.

Here's what God thinks about the so-called "prosperity" and "success" as you (and America) define those words:
James 5:1-6
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.

Mark 4:19
But the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.

Ecclesiastes 5:10
He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity.
 
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The Lord is no more propitious towards the USA than any other country. The Lord does not care for the USA any more than any other country. The Lord does not have any sort of respect whatsoever for men's nations.

The USA is cursed with an immoral spirit of mammon-worship; if anything, the USA is one of the most cursed nations on earth. The material gains that people see as "success" is the proof that the USA worships mammon and rejects God. And, sadly, at the vanguard of the materialistic mammon worship are people who claim to be Christians while the fruits they bear indicate otherwise.
God makes nations he approves of rich and wealthy. The land of milk and honey was a term of material and physical prosperity to the ancients.

There is no problem with being wealthy. The problem comes from not having the needed capacity for life that Bible doctrine gives a soul. Its that lack of capacity that comes from sound doctrine that destroys a person having money.

After all.. Job was filthy rich! Abraham was a multi millionaire by today's standards. Not to mention, King David was one of the richest men on earth.

God loves to prosper believers with wealth. But He needs to find within them the capacity for life in the person's soul before He can give it. Otherwise, giving such wealth will destroy his life. God only blesses where there is a capacity for that blessing present. That is why Jesus said to "seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and all these things will be given unto you."

With believers that capacity for life only comes from having richly in one's heart understanding and wisdom that can only come from having the Word of God in abundance stored in one's heart. It guards the heart (thinking) of such a believer.
 
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God makes nations he approves of rich and wealthy. The land of milk and honey was a term of material and physical prosperity to the ancients.

There is no problem with being wealthy. The problem comes from not having the needed capacity for life that Bible doctrine gives a soul. Its that lack of capacity that comes from sound doctrine that destroys a person having money.

After all.. Job was filthy rich! Abraham was a multi millionaire by today's standards. Not to mention, King David was one of the richest men on earth.

God loves to prosper believers with wealth. But He needs to find within them the capacity for life in the person's soul before He can give it. Otherwise, giving such wealth will destroy his life. God only blesses where there is a capacity for that blessing present. That is why Jesus said to "seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and all these things will be given unto you."

With believers that capacity for life only comes from having richly in one's heart understanding and wisdom that can only come from having the Word of God in abundance stored in one's heart. It guards the heart (thinking) of such a believer.
So God hated Jesus and the Disciples/Apostles?

Your argument is simply your own opinion and not based on God's Word. You cherry pick certain characters of the Bible who had some form of wealth and you ignore that the very Apostles and the Son of God Himself had no wealth. Jesus said that the foxes have a den but the Son of Man has a rock for a pillow.

And you are unable to read Jesus' words and understand Him. This is the fruit you bear, that you are unable to understand Jesus' own words. How can a Christian be unable to understand Jesus' own words? Simple - he can't. A bad tree doesn't bear good fruit.
 
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Matthew 6:24
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money"

I Timothy 6:9-12
But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs. But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness.

Here's what God thinks about the so-called "prosperity" and "success" as you (and America) define those words:
James 5:1-6
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.

Mark 4:19
But the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.

Ecclesiastes 5:10
He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity.

That spoke about all those who put money as their savior in life. They neglected growing in grace and truth and sought money as the means to save themselves. Some people are born with the ability to make great money. Only a few out of the many who have that ability glorify Christ.

Trouble is when believers who lack balanced teaching automatically see wealthy believers as being evil.
 
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That spoke about all those who put money as their savior in life. They neglected growing in grace and truth and sought money as the means to save themselves. Some people are born with the ability to make great money. Only a few out of the many who have that ability glorify Christ.

Trouble is when believers who lack balanced teaching automatically see wealthy believers as being evil.
When you say that America is blessed and point to America being materially prosperous then you are putting money in the role of god. America worships money. People who say God "blesses" America by pointing to America's material wealth as "success" are making mammon into god. You did exactly that. You cannot serve God and mammon so you have made it clear which one you serve.
 
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For what reason are you twisting that to mean that? :hug:

Paul came from wealth... So did Barnabas to name a few.
Came FROM wealth...into poverty. But poverty as the world defines and as you are defining it - lack of material wealth. Paul was wealthy in spirit. All the disciples were. But they all gave up their material wealth to become wealthy in spirit.

The Lord Jesus Christ did not possess material wealth whatsoever. What does that tell you? (seems to tell you nothing, you don't even acknowledge it)
 
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When Paul slipped into his temporary apostasy and returned to Jerusalem when he should have really been going to Rome.. He was propositioned by James and some elders to enter into a very *expensive* ritual in the Temple that required in its climax to offer an oxen/heffer for sacrifice. Paul was ordered by James to not only pay for this ritual (as a means to gain the approbation of the Jews who heard he was teaching against Moses) but to also cover the expenses for two other men who were going to go through the same ritual.

Paul was not poor. His family was rich. Though he did go through trials of having nothing because of the need for trials and hardships in preaching the Gospel, he was not always to remain without money. Lydia who was a seller of purple was a wealthy patron in his church. And, James needed to warn wealthy believers in the Jerusalem church... Not to mention both the churches in Laodicea and Corinth were filled with millionaires in their day. Paul and and others were sent by God to them to show them the way of life in Christ to gain the capacity for life which was needed to be happy and stable with wealth. Neither Paul, John, Peter, etc.. ever preached to believers to give away their wealth and to live as a poor person. Don't confuse the sacrifice of service they were called into for what God wants the average believer to experience in this world. For some God decreed will be wealthy and happy. Others He decreed will have little and be happy. God gets glorified in both. For in this world both wealthy and poor can easiliy end up being unhappy. The issue is happiness in whatever you were designed by God to be.
 
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