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Trump says, Go Back To Church -- POLL

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Mountainmanbob, May 23, 2020.

  1. yes

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  2. No

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  3. Each Church should be able to decide on their own

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  1. dogs4thewin

    dogs4thewin dog lover CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    Way our church is currently doing it is offering an in person service ( masks not required), having it on the radio at the same time, but you have to be in the church parking lot to pick it up AND offering it online with a week delay so for example tomorrow the message for 5-17 will be posted online.
     
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  2. CyberPaladin

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    I voted no the Church I had been attending reopen last week and I know of several others that are reopening in my area but all of them are taking the same lax approach of social distancing being an option rather then real safety procedures.
     
  3. Paidiske

    Paidiske Clara bonam audax Supporter

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    I don't think it really works that way, though, because most of a church's costs are fixed. What I mean is, for example, my church is paying me to be their priest through this time, even though we're not having services; the only costs we're saving are not turning on the lights and heaters in the church building (which is small).

    So for us it's more a question of whether we can afford not to open, if that makes sense?
     
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  4. Sophrosyne

    Sophrosyne Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16

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    For a smaller church it probably isn't a big issue as you probably run mostly on volunteers with almost no paid employees but a larger church has to have employees on the payroll if it is open and that requires money from offerings to pay for the employees and that is spread out over those giving offerings plus with a lot larger sanctuary it that hold 7000 like my church has operating it is more expensive than one holding a few hundred plus with that large of a flock they hire police/sheriff officers for security and have to pay them.
    If the cost is spread out over thousands it is easily absorbed but over hundreds it may be too tight of a budget to open up. trying to social distance people in a place designed to pack them in probably means half the rows are empty and half the remaining seats are empty between groups so we are talking 1/4 of capacity if you put people in the farthest seats away from the stage. I think movie theaters may have similar issues with social distancing reducing audiences to unsustainable profit margins and stadiums also.
     
  5. Paidiske

    Paidiske Clara bonam audax Supporter

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    Oh, well, if you're paying security staff by the hour or something then yes, that would change the sums.

    Most church staff are still working through this time, though. Doing pastoral care and spiritual nurture through the internet, phone and printed material is actually more work than usual for many of us, as we're having to learn a whole host of new skills and relate in new ways!
     
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  6. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Goat Whisperer Supporter

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    We attend a very small Church but, the monthly bills still total over a few thousand dollars a month whether open or closed.
    M
     
  7. LaBèlla

    LaBèlla His will❣️my fate Supporter

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    I've attended large (mega) churches in the past. There's no way I would go. I'd expect infections in that setting.

    ~Bella
     
  8. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Goat Whisperer Supporter

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    Just got the word
    our Church is opening back up next week.

    We know how to keep a safe distance.
    We were doing that before the shutdown.

    M
     
  9. Sophrosyne

    Sophrosyne Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16

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    If it is closed bills should be less plus with all the greatly increased cleaning and isolating and social distancing equipment that has to be paid for. Having to purchase masks for employees and for members that don't have any plus sanitizer and plastic screens and distancing posters. A large sanctuary that is closed you can turn the climate controls to temperatures that are fine for maintaining if it isn't being used but when it opens you use climate control to keep it from getting too hot this time of year. It is said each adult produces the heat equivalent to a 100 watt incandescent bulb and 1000 people require 100,000 bulbs worth of heat to be removed plus the building opening/closing to let people in/out and keeping it at a comfortable temp costs money. On top of this you have lighting and sound systems and tv monitors adding heat and taking power.
     
  10. Mountainmanbob

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    I just looked at and approved a Church budget a few weeks back.

    Most all of those expenses are still running.

    Have you ever seen one?
    Or sat on a Church Board?
    M
     
  11. Paidiske

    Paidiske Clara bonam audax Supporter

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    Some of this also depends where in the world you are. Today, where I am, our top temperature will be 14 Celsius (57 Fahrenheit), and we're heading into winter. Cooling is not an issue!

    Our bills really are not much less when not having services. But our big difficulty is that all the community groups who hire our hall aren't using it, so we've lost about a third of our income from that.
     
  12. Sophrosyne

    Sophrosyne Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16

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    I think the distancing could be done in them just the same as smaller churches or even better if they have more extra room to spare.
     
  13. Sophrosyne

    Sophrosyne Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16

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    Nope and I don't know how much it costs to operate a church service either in heating/cooling/electric/water and employee expenses and with the addition of cleaning and sanitizing a smaller church area would be a lot cheaper to operate than a larger one.
     
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  14. seeking.IAM

    seeking.IAM Episcopalian Supporter

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    I sit on my church's Finance Committee. We are running a wee bit behind during the shutdown, but not as bad as I feared and nothing dreadful. Parishioners are giving through our online portal or the mail instead of dropping it in the plate. Their commitment to the church is reassuring.
     
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  15. LaBèlla

    LaBèlla His will❣️my fate Supporter

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    Not happening. Our governor said no.

    Governor Pritzker confirms churches will not be allowed to have services with more than 50 people until there is a vaccine, highly effective treatment, or elimination of any new cases over a sustained period.

    ~Bella
     
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  16. Arcangl86

    Arcangl86 Newbie

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    Both Episcopal dioceses in my state have issued a joint plan to reopen, and we aren't even set to start stage one until July.
     
  17. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My church is assembling tomorrow with proper social distancing in place.

    I am looking for a new church however...
     
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  18. Rene Loup

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    Insisting people go to church during a major pandemic seems like extreme legalism to me.
     
  19. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Goat Whisperer Supporter

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    No one is being forced to Church.
    Many if not all high risk will not attend.

    We practice religious freedom.

    M
     
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  20. Sophrosyne

    Sophrosyne Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16

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    I'm not sure what we will be doing I suspect they if they keep social distancing in the protocol churches may just be put on the list of businesses that can open as we have nearly everything but entertainment and sports venues open here
     
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