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Featured Trump reverses, says Dems to blame for shutdown

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by tulc, Dec 21, 2018.

  1. tulc

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    Trump reverses, says Dems to blame for shutdown
    tulc(wonders who didn't see this coming?) :scratch:
     
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  2. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Has Trump every been able to keep his stories straight for more than an hour or two?

     
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  3. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    But,but,but I heard him tell Chuck and Nancy that he takes responsibility, full ownership.
     
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  4. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    That was yesterday. He's changed his story maybe six times since then.
     
  5. morse86

    morse86 Junior Member

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    These are my standards for voting or supporting any candidate:

     
  6. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    What do they say about voting for a serial adulterer, who brags about getting away with sexual assault?
     
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  7. Shiloh Raven

    Shiloh Raven I solemnly swear that I am up to no good.

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    And is in his third marriage to his former mistress, who had an affair with a porn star and then paid her off to silence her, who derides and insults people he doesn't like, and who uses profanity.
     
  8. Akita Suggagaki

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    I dont think he has capacity for his office.
     
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  9. SarahsKnight

    SarahsKnight Jesus Christ is this Knight's truth.

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  10. tulc

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    Well the video seemed to put the kibosh on voting for either candidate running in 2016 1) candidate because they did bad things and 2) because he doesn't think Christians should vote for women. Ever.
    He personally is against voting for any law that increases taxes. Of course I don't believe his church actually pays any taxes anyway. So...:sorry:
    He's also not a fan of the "Lesser of two evils" school and he calls out the Republican Party specifically on that. :wave:
    tulc(doesn't agree with about 90% of what the video says but suspects there's something to disagree with by people from every side of american politics) ;)
     
  11. hedrick

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    With Republicans in control of both houses, this is not plausible.
     
  12. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    I suspect, as Mark Cuban once said, "He couldn't manage a Diary Queen."
     
  13. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Yes, if Trump could even get his own party in line, he'd have what he wants. But after the mid-term elections, they aren't too willing to do what Trump wants.
     
  14. Logic Over Emotionalism

    Logic Over Emotionalism 2 boys & 2 girls (new baby girl born 12/1/18)

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    First Trump was wrong in saying he would accept full responsibility and it was not mature for him to not own what he did say. But to be honest liberals own the shutdown. The people who got Trump in to office wanted the wall. So the fact Trump is fighting for the wall which the people want. It seems the liberals who are in office are the ones who are owning this as Trump is only fighting to fulfill his promises to the people. Most Americans agree that we need secure borders and better security to keep out illegals.

    Roughly 80% of all voters say U.S. needs secure borders, including 68% of Democrats: Harvard poll


    Secondly to show the hypocritical stance that is happening in this country in 2006 Democrats voted for a fence that included Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton. Today since it's Trump talking about better security they are making a big deal at something that previously they would of voted for.

    In 2006, These Democrats Still in Office Voted to Build a Wall

    Thirdly let's remember a couple good quotes from former Democrats presidents that today sound a lot like Trump today:

    "All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.

    The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

    That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens." -Bill Clinton

    "Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made -- putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.

    Real reform means establishing a responsible pathway to earned citizenship -- a path that includes passing a background check, paying taxes and a meaningful penalty, learning English, and going to the back of the line behind the folks trying to come here legally." - Obama
     
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  15. The Barbarian

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    A republican Congress won't vote for the wall. The American people don't want the wall. Trump says he'll shut down the government until we give him his wall. It's his shutdown, as he admitted.

    A minority of Americans. The minority doesn't always get their way. Sorry about that.

    The American people don't want the wall. That's why even a republican Congress won't give it to him.

    Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The majority of Americans (57%) oppose expanding the construction of walls along the nation's Southern border

    Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA

    The republicans have Congress and the WH, and they still can't get it done. So yes, they own this whole mess.

    Yep. But they don't want vanity wall, which won't do it for them.
     
  16. FenderTL5

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  17. HannahT

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    (Shrugs) I haven't really spoken to anyone that was in a rush to blame anyone for the shutdown. They just want Washington to do their jobs. They are to busy playing games even before this.
     
  18. Yarddog

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    Agreed.
    Incorrect. There was an agreement between the parties until Fox News pundits screamed at Trump for it and he did an about face and refused anything less than 5 billion. Trump and conservatives own the shut down
    Not "the people" but the minority which voted for him. The majority of Americans don't want the wall, so conservatives are rejecting the will of the people in favor of the few.
    Most Americans want secure borders but they don't want the wall.

    There is nothing hypocritical about this. We have the fence which Dems helped secure. They never voted for a wall across the entire border.
    Trump promised his voters a big beautiful wall which Mexico would pay for. He lied.
     
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  19. JackRT

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    I suspect that is a rhetorical question.:)
     
  20. The Barbarian

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    It's a very easy question.
     
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