"Trump ready for US shutdown to last 'for years'"

[Hank77]

If the majority of Americans opposed the wall, Hillary Clinton would've been President.

No. A few million voters didn't vote for Trump or Clinton but did vote for other candidates or write-ins. Whether they agree with the wall is another issue.
And...voting for a candidate doesn't mean that a voter agrees 100% with the candidate.

 

[Aldebaran]

No. A few million voters didn't vote for Trump or Clinton but did vote for other candidates or write-ins. Whether they agree with the wall is another issue.
And...voting for a candidate doesn't mean that a voter agrees 100% with the candidate.

I happen to be one of those. Trump wasn't even my first pick in the primaries. Ted Cruz was. When he became the nominee to run against Clinton, it would have made no sense to vote for Cruz at that point. So I voted for Trump. Now that's he's president, I don't like the Tariffs and the effect they're having, but it doesn't make me regret voting for Trump though.

 

[JackRT]

Yeah, I don't see the landlords being "nice and easy" part happening.

Not if the landlords are like the President himself.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

That's good, since I never claimed we were. I guess I could go into a long explanation about how a wall that stops people from walking over the border with explosives and other weapons would be just as effective at keeping people from walking over the border with drugs, along with people who have gang affiliations, but I won't. Instead, I'll leave you with a CNN story about a police officer who was a LEGAL immigrant and was recently killed by an ILLEGAL one. Perhaps it will put things into perspective. Suspect who shot and killed California officer was in the country illegally, authorities say - CNN

I’m not saying that there are not violent illegal immigrants. I’m saying a wall is not the answer. Probably need a wall in some places, fence in others, techology in some places, a combination of approaches.

That is what the West Bank “wall” is - 5% wall, 95% fence.
What Trump Can Learn From The Man Who Built Israel's Border Walls

And, while that story is tragic, should we start talking about the violent crimes perpetrated by people here legally?

An increasing number of illegals are overstaying visas - wall won’t help with that.
Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org

 

[Hank77]

That's good, since I never claimed we were. I guess I could go into a long explanation about how a wall that stops people from walking over the border with explosives and other weapons would be just as effective at keeping people from walking over the border with drugs, along with people who have gang affiliations, but I won't.

Most drugs coming into this country are not be carried in by foot traffic. It comes in by vehicles and dropped by planes, ultra-lites, and drones.

President Donald Trump says his wall at the U.S.-Mexico border will help stem the flow of illegal drugs into the United States. There’s one problem with the plan: The drugs coming into the U.S. Northeast often arrive by plane, boat, or hidden in vehicles, according to an intelligence report by the Drug Enforcement Administration.


A 24-page report prepared by the DEA in May found that drugs coming from Mexico do often enter through the southwestern border, but they do so concealed in vehicles, like tractor-trailers. Moreover, drugs coming from Colombia are more often transported by plane and boat, the reports notes.

Trump Says Border Wall Will Stop Drugs. Here’s What a DEA Intel Report Says.

 

[JackRT]

The Israeli government says that the barrier has been effective, as the number of suicide bombings carried out from the West Bank fell from 73 (between 2000 and July 2003 – the completion of the "first continuous segment"), to 12 (from August 2003 to the end of 2006).

The barriers in Israel are actively and aggressively patrolled night and day unlike a proposed wall that is well over a thousand miles long in a mostly sparsely populated wilderness area.

 

[bekkilyn]

If Trump does manage to get the wall built, maybe we could name it the New Berlin Wall or the Great Wall of Mexico or the New Walls of Jericho.

 

[Hank77]

If Trump does manage to get the wall built, maybe we could name it the New Berlin Wall or the Great Wall of Mexico or the New Walls of Jericho.

No, he'll want it to say Trump's Wall, then he can sell his trade name to the US government.

 

[bekkilyn]

No, he'll want it to say Trump's Wall, then he can sell his trade name to the US government.

So when the Trump sounds, it will all come tumbling down?

 

[GlabrousDory4]

The Israeli government says that the barrier has been effective, as the number of suicide bombings carried out from the West Bank fell from 73 (between 2000 and July 2003 – the completion of the "first continuous segment"), to 12 (from August 2003 to the end of 2006).

And that's fantastic. Of course there are a lot of Palestinians who have a tough time of it with the wall there, but bully for Israel.

The number of suicide bombers crossing over into the US seems to be a pretty small number. I don't recall any off-hand. What I have seen, on the other hand, is a bunch of women and children running away from gang violence in countries we've helped destabilize. So I guess it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other: suicide bombers or scared poor people.

Why don't we just go ahead and put a bunch of machine gun towers along the border. That'll DEFINITELY decrease the onslaught of suicide bombers crossing here from Mexico.

 

[Aldebaran]

Most drugs coming into this country are not be carried in by foot traffic. It comes in by vehicles and dropped by planes, ultra-lites, and drones.

Are those vehicles crossing at the legal designated crossing? If so, they have to undergo inspection. That at least provides a chance for them to be caught. If there's no wall, then there's nothing to stop such vehicles. So a wall would be even more effective against those vehicles than against foot traffic. I've never heard anyone argue that vehicles can climb over walls.

 

[Aldebaran]

The barriers in Israel are actively and aggressively patrolled night and day unlike a proposed wall that is well over a thousand miles long in a mostly sparsely populated wilderness area.

Those areas that are sparsely populated would be the first places illegals would try crossing. If those areas aren't patrolled, then what stops someone from crossing there now? Those areas are exactly where a wall/fence/barrier needs to be.

 

[Hank77]

Are those vehicles crossing at the legal designated crossing? If so, they have to undergo inspection. That at least provides a chance for them to be caught. If there's no wall, then there's nothing to stop such vehicles. So a wall would be even more effective against those vehicles than against foot traffic. I've never heard anyone argue that vehicles can climb over walls.

I posted two articles about how drugs come into this country.

 

[Aldebaran]

And that's fantastic. Of course there are a lot of Palestinians who have a tough time of it with the wall there, but bully for Israel.

The number of suicide bombers crossing over into the US seems to be a pretty small number. I don't recall any off-hand. What I have seen, on the other hand, is a bunch of women and children running away from gang violence in countries we've helped destabilize. So I guess it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other: suicide bombers or scared poor people.

Why don't we just go ahead and put a bunch of machine gun towers along the border. That'll DEFINITELY decrease the onslaught of suicide bombers crossing here from Mexico.

Are you implying that if a wall is put up to block suicide bombers in one country, then that's the only thing a wall can block? Doesn't it stand to reason that drug smugglers, gang members and anyone else on foot can be blocked?

 

[Speedwell]

Are you implying that if a wall is put up to block suicide bombers in one country, then that's the only thing a wall can block? Doesn't it stand to reason that drug smugglers, gang members and anyone else on foot can be blocked?

Sure, but they can be blocked in other ways as well. If we're trying to block unarmed men, women and children on foot, why do we need a barrier designed to keep out suicide bombers?

 

[Speedwell]

Those areas that are sparsely populated would be the first places illegals would try crossing. If those areas aren't patrolled, then what stops someone from crossing there now? Those areas are exactly where a wall/fence/barrier needs to be.

Do you think there isn't one now?

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Are you implying that if a wall is put up to block suicide bombers in one country, then that's the only thing a wall can block? Doesn't it stand to reason that drug smugglers, gang members and anyone else on foot can be blocked?

Maybe, maybe not.

Israel built a wall. But Palestinian laborers continue to sneak through daily

 

[Aldebaran]

Sure, but they can be blocked in other ways as well. If we're trying to block unarmed men, women and children on foot, why do we need a barrier designed to keep out suicide bombers?

When Trump or anyone else says they want one designed that way, we'll talk about it.

 

[Aldebaran]

Do you think there isn't one now?

I know there is one there now, but it's clearly in need of replacement.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

I know there is one there now, but it's clearly in need of replacement.

Then fix the fence where it needs fixing. Why a 30 ft monument to Trump’s ego?