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  1. Handmaid for Jesus

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    We have know for a while that Jared Kushner had been appoint as the broker for a ME peace plan. So, how is he progressing?


     
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    Thanks for bringing up the forthcoming 'Israel/Palestine Peace Plan' again.
    I started a thread on it last September, but it has been postponed since then.

    However it is doubtful that Trump will present it until the Israeli elections are over, at the end of March.
    When he does, then we can expect the end time events as prophesied, to commence.
     
  3. Revealing Times

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    The Peace Plan doesn't come from the USA, it comes from the E.U. and thus the Old Fourth Beast. The Little Horn who comes OUT OF the Fourth Beast's Head will make this Agreement.

    This Agreement {framework for the Anti-Christ} is already in place between the E.U. and the MANY, not just Israel. The Beast is a Beast over not just Israel, but like all the other Beasts he's over the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. It is a 7 year deal, it was renewed in 2014 and is up for renewal again in 2020, these types of agreements take years to hammer out, thus the coming Beast will just CONFIRM the Agreement or renew it, but he will of course add in his own strings, then he will renege on the agreements at the halfway point.

    Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy MANY: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

    Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with MANY for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Who is THE MANY ? Well we are told.

    Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north {Anti-Christ} shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the COUNTRIES, and shall overflow and pass over. 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and MANY countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. {Where Israel Flees} 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

    So he Conquers the WHOLE REGION, just like all the other Beast Heads did.

    Here are the AGREEMENTS between the E.U. and these Nations to he South of the E.U.

    European Neighbourhood Policy

    The European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) is a foreign relations instrument of the European Union (EU) which seeks to tie those countries to the east and south of the European territory of the EU to the Union. These countries, primarily developing countries, include some who seek to one day become either a member state of the European Union, or more closely integrated with the European Union. The ENP does not apply to neighbours of the EU's outermost regions, specifically France's territories in South America, but only to those countries close to EU member states' territories in mainland Europe.

    The countries covered include Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Libya, Palestine, Syria, Tunisia.

    Funding the policy: from ENPI to ENI

    Giving incentives and rewarding best performers, as well as offering funds in a faster and more flexible manner, are the two main principles underlying the European Neighbourhood Instrument (ENI) that came into force in 2014. It has a budget of €15.4 billion and provides the bulk of funding through a number of programmes. The ENI, effective from 2014 to 2020, replaces the European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument – known as the ENPI. This cooperation instrument continues to be managed by DG Development and Cooperation - EuropeAid, which turns decisions taken on a political level into actions on the ground. ENPI funding approved for the period 2007-2013 was €11.2 billion.

    Notice the 7 year agreement cycles ?

    Now what does it mean that the Little Horn arises from the Head of the Fourth Beast ? Dan. 7:7-8 tells us this is what happens. I think it is shown as arising from he Head of the Fourth Beast because the footprint of the Two-Beasts, separated by nearly 2000 years, is the EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT for the most part, it was a European Ruler that ruled the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, whereas the other Beasts ruled over Israel and parts of the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Fourth Beast and the Little Horn Beast both rule over all the Sea Region.

    Notice the Roman Empire Map and how it is the same footprint as the European Union Map when the nations they have an "AGREEMENT" with via the European Neighborhood Policy, are added in.

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    The Anti-Christ is going to sign a NEW SEVEN YEAR DEAL with these Nations when he gets elected to the E.U. Presidency, then hes going to renege on those Agreements and take over the Whole Region. The European Union will then look something like the Map Below: The Little Horn thus Arises out of the Fourth Beasts Head because it has the exact same footprint. He Conquers Israel and THE MANY !!
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  4. keras

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    The chances of a 30 nation European Union by 2030 is zero. Currently it is coming apart and financially in trouble.
    Anyway 30 nations blows your theories away, as Bible prophecy states there will be ten 'kingdoms'.
     
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  5. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Prophecies that are actually dated this year ? Great. So what is going to happen ? Brevity would be appriciated.

    We can dig this thread up next Christmas and see how well it did.
     
  6. keras

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    Here's a quote that suits you: Jumping to conclusions can lead to contusions!

    If you refuse to believe that the world is at the cusp of dramatic changes, they you have your head in the sand and 2 Peter 3:1-6 applies to you.
     
  7. Douggg

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    I disagree with RT over the 30 nations make up of the EU. And the ENP agreement. But the bible does not state ten "kingdoms" as you are stating either.

    In Daniel 7:23-24, it states ten kings shall arise out of the fourth Kingdom. And in Revelation 17:17 those ten kings give their "kingdom" singular to the beast.
     
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  9. Douggg

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    Well, it is not for certain what specifically will happen this year. But it appears as though a lot of big things could.

    Like the restructuring of the EU to a ten leader form of government, and the rise of the little horn person. And maybe Gog/Magog not long after.
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    Which the trump peace plan could result in Israel living in peace right before Gog/Magog takes place. That is a possibility.

    But the trump peace plan is not the confirmation of the covenant in Daniel 9:27, for two reasons:

    1. the seven years do not begin until after Gog/Magog. Which is going to be a biblical proportion event.

    2. the confirming the covenant of seven years is not a peace plan, but is something the Antichrist will do in regards to the Mt. Sinai covenant. Moses made it a requirement that all future leaders of Israel confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle, Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

    It is a basically a big speech from the place of God's choosing (which Jews I have spoken to about it say is the temple mount) on feast of tabernacles holy day, that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever.
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    Welcome to the forum, btw.

    This may be too much information for you to absorb, all at once at this point..... but here is a chart I made of the path to his destruction of the arch villain of the end times. It is not the Pope, btw, as I see you are Catholic. There are issues with the Pope, but that is another matter. He is not the arch villain of the end times, nor the false prophet.

    I agree with RT, that the person originates out of the EU.

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  10. Revealing Times

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    You would not count the Kings of the Nations which get "Conquered" as part of the 10 King Confederation. So the 30 nation goal of today means zilch, the 10 Kings will not include any of the Conquered nations. Do you ponder things before you post brother ? That should be understood, if Israel was subdued by Babylon or Greece they wouldn't have counted the Israel King as a part of their Kingdom now would they have ?

    On the other hand the number 10 is sometimes used for Fullness, as in all the Kings give their power to the Beast, then 3 are overcome and killed. I have seen this argument but don't agree nor disagree with it, it doesn't matter to me. I just know that the E.U. Beast/President will Conquer Israel and THE MANY, not just Israel, and the Little Horns Kingdom will look just like the Fourth Beast.
     
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  11. Jonathan Walkerin

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    This reminds me of stuff I put on every high school historic essay to pad it up a bit lengthwise.

    "There was political movement and peasants were doing poorly"

    It applied to just about every age. It really meant nothing and if needed if could be later explained to mean anything.

    World is always at the cusp of "dramatic changes", a lot of big things could happen but if that is all that is needed for a prophecy I weep for the species.

    If people actually use time to dream up this stuff then make some clear predictions which can be clearly dismissed when they do not happen.

    If all people can come up with is vague generalizations and quoting scripture what is the point ? I am actually interested in this so feel free open up.

    Also naturally Matthew 7:15
     
  12. Douggg

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    Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    You would be a lot better off to make an effort to learn about the end times prophecies, and not be so cynical.

    You wrote "I am actually interested in this so feel free open up."

    Okay.


    The different roles of the arch villain of the end times in sequence are... (it actually follows the sequence of the books of the bible pertaining to him as more information was released).

    little horn - Daniel 7 King of the Roman Empire end times

    prince who shall come - Daniel 9 (transition role)

    Antichrist - 1John2:18, King of Israel coming in his own name

    revealed man of sin - 2Thessalonians2:4 (transition role)

    beast - Revelation 13, King of the Roman Empire end times DESTROYED from being king when Jesus returns.

    The transition roles are of the person becoming the Antichrist....the King of Israel coming in his own name.... and no longer being the Antichrist.

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    simplified:

    King of the Roman Empire -king 7 (the little horn)
    King of Israel, coming in his own name - the Antichrist
    King of the Roman Empire - king 8 (the beast)
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    Here are two charts I made of the path of the arch villain of the end times on his way to his destruction. In the first chart on the right side is of him as the King of the Roman empire end times. On the left side is of him as the King of Israel for a while, the Antichrist.

    Make a note to yourself - King of the Roman Empire. King of Israel (the Antichrist). Most of Revelation is about him in the role of the King of the Roman Empire, as the little horn and then later the beast (no longer the Antichrist).

    The transition roles of the prince who shall come, and the revealed man of sin, are on the sloped arrows; first to the left; then after being the Antichrist for a while, to the right.

    In the second chart is all of the time frames of the end times.

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  13. Douggg

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    While no one can put a specific date on the end times events, we can know for certain that the 7 years will begin before the end of 2030 based on the parable of the fig tree, in Mark13 and Matthew 24.

    1967 + 70 = 2037, all of the end times prophecies fulfilled by then.

    Minus 7 years for the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 = by 2030, end of.

    Between now and then, there has to be the formation of the ten leader form of the EU. And the little horn person coming to power. Then Gog/Magog.

    Russian, Iran, are on Israel's doorstep in Syria... so Gog/Magog doesn't look that far off.
     
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  14. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Out of curiosity ; would it shake your faith if things would just progress as usual by 2040 ? Or would you just recalculate, research and make new graphs ?

    Great presentation by the way. Very approachable.
     
  15. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Brothers, you do know that the Jews say their messiah will appear by the middle of April. They are not talking about Lord Jesus of course. So while Trumps peace plan may not be THE plan, as my Elder brother @keras has noted
    He is probably right.We don't truly understand how everything will shake out. But we can see the stage being set. We see Macron putting together an EU army. Ten nations have joined him to create this. We have to watch this development. Also the Pope is aligning the RCC with the Muslims. All of this imho is leading somewhere.
     
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  16. Jonathan Walkerin

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    Which ten nations would those be ? Link would be great.
     
  17. Handmaid for Jesus

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    You can do your own google search if you are truly interested to know. But here is a list F.Y.I.
    Ministers from France, Germany, Belgium, Britain, Denmark, the Netherlands, Estonia, Spain and Portugal signed a letter of intent in Luxembourg on Monday. Since the election of its new government, Italy has backtracked on its initial support, but Rome has not ruled out the country's future involvement.Jun 25, 2018
     
  18. Jonathan Walkerin

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    yeah it seems bit outdated from June 25th, 2018

    European Intervention Initiative - Wikipedia

    Actually you are in luck with Finland joining up in November making the total 10.

    It`s aims seem quite modest for any real undertaking though

    "The ultimate aim of the E2I is a shared strategic culture that would enhance the ability of its members to act together on missions as part of NATO, the EU, UN or other ad-hoc coalitions. The project is intented to be resource neutral and makes use of existing assets and other joint forces available to members. E2I seeks for enhanced interaction on intelligence sharing, scenario planning, support operations and doctrine.[1]"

    Then again Wehrmacht was not anything to shout about in 1920s so who knows. Just seems bit unlikely.
     
  19. Douggg

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    I would not change my graphs(charts) for certain.

    It would not shake my faith because the 70 years for a generation is based primarily on Pslams 90:10, the length of our years which is three score and ten.... and if by strength (the physical condition of our bodies) be four score.

    10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

    King David died at 70 years old.

    Back 20 years ago there was the theory that 1948 was the base date because there are verses in the bible pointing to Israel being the fig tree.

    So 1948 +70 = 2018 minus the 7 for 2011. Well that year came and went and no confirming of the covenant. btw, the notion that the covenant is a peace treaty is the reasoning of popular bible commentators based on Daniel 8, he shall destroy many by peace.

    They probably were not even aware of Deuteronomy 31:9-13, the confirming of the covenant for 7 years there. Most Christians aren't, even as we speak.

    I assumed the same back then, based on what the popular commentators said. But the more I learned about the person as the Antichrist, and the more I discussed with the Jews (Judaism) what they expect of the messiah - I concluded the peace treaty idea is a misplaced notion.

    What Daniel 9:27 is really talking about in the confirming of the covenant, by the messiah King of Israel person the Jews are expecting, is the Mt. Sinai covenant.

    You may not be aware, but the Jews (Judaism) don't consider the new covenant in Jeremiah 31:31, which we know to be in Jesus, is not a completely new covenant at all, but the "renewing" of the existing covenant - the Mt. Sinai covenant in their minds.

    So the Antichrist person, by confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years, will only reinforce what they are expecting, and their belief person is the real messiah.
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    Back to the base year. 1967 is the base year because as Jesus and the disciples were entering Jerusalem that last Passover week, Jesus knowing that he would be rejected by Jerusalem and the Jews to be their King, cursed the fig tree growing by the road. Which withered up and died in short order, the disciples noticed coming out of Jerusalem.

    So Jerusalem is the fig tree. Back in the hands of the Jews today.

    Every thing appears to be moving in the direction of my chart starting point of the little horn person; the Gog/Magog nations, the EU in flux, Jerusalem a cup of trembling to the nations, Muslims flooding into the EU causing a backlash, setting up the rise of national populism in the EU. Brexit 40 days away, yellow vests. Shaky banking system.

    So I see big changes coming soon. The U.S. we definitely have our problems as well.
     
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  20. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Here is a video showing the fraternity of the Pope with the Muslims.
     
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