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Trump officially recognizes Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel and

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by BukiRob, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. BukiRob

    BukiRob Newbie

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    Not only that, but the US Embassy is moving to Jerusalem!

    How exciting!!!
     
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  2. Femi Williams

    Femi Williams In Christ Alone.

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    There is something about Donald Trump that strikes me. I think he is truly a man who is seeking to honour God. Though he is hated by many (even Christians for very good legit reasons), I think the world needs someone like him who is not perhaps into pleasing people. The whole idea of building a wall too seems very biblical to me and I think he wants to do it for a good reason. Anyway, I know he is far from perfect but I think its important we all pray for him for he is the leader in authority. Abraham Lincoln once said "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
     
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  3. Open Heart

    Open Heart Messianic Jewish Catholic

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    Jumping up and down and shouting, Yay, yay!
     
  4. BukiRob

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    I have heard that he is a newly converted believer (perhaps introduced to Messiah by Mike Pence who IS a believer)

    I think it is probably much wiser to judge Trump based off of what he is actually DOING now. And to keep in mind that he is a young believer (in other words not hold him to the standard someone who is mature in the faith but recognize that G-d is still working on him...)
     
  5. Femi Williams

    Femi Williams In Christ Alone.

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    Hmm... I'm just curious to why you type "God" as "G-d", any particular reason or is it just a typo?

    I don't know if Trump is a true believer but I do believe and trust that God is sovereign over all and above all.
     
  6. tampasteve

    tampasteve Tampa, Florida, USA, Earth, Sol, Orion arm Supporter

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    This is the Messianic Judaism forum, many (though not all) of us write the Holy Name without spelling it all out, as most Jewish people do. So you might see G-d, G_D, Hashem, YHWH, Yahweh, Adonai, Jehovah, Elohim, etc. in place of "God". Also, Yeshua, Yashua, etc. in place of "Jesus". :)
     
  7. Open Heart

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    Because this is a MJ forum, many adopt Jewish traditions. Jews have an enormous respect for the sacred name of God, not wanting to take his holy name in vain. It extends even to the non-sacred names, for which they will remove the vowels, so that they type those titles respectfully, as in G-d. They might also use other forms such as Hashem (the Name) or Adonai (Lord), etc, etc...
     
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  8. Femi Williams

    Femi Williams In Christ Alone.

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    Thanks you both for the clarification. Wow! I never knew that... I remember one of past lecturer commenting on my linkedIn page and just using the letter G to represent God. I found it very confusing and thought he was doing so cos he didn't want to spell out the word God on Linkedin or maybe he did not really believe in God. Finally, it all makes sense now:)
     
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    Femi Williams In Christ Alone.

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    Sometimes you think you know what is right but then you find out you are wrong. After watching this mind-boggling eye-opening documentary, I just had one of those moment, I'm starting to think Donald Trump is really NOT of God, and the move to establish Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is actually part of the devil's plan to establish a new world order. In fact I think the modern nation of Israel is fake, and its purpose is to serve for the kingdom of the antichrist. According to the Bible, the true nation of Israel are believer in Christ Jesus, our Messiah. The documentary is approx. 2 hrs but I highly recommend it.

     
  10. tampasteve

    tampasteve Tampa, Florida, USA, Earth, Sol, Orion arm Supporter

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    President Trump may or may not be "of God" but the USA recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is, in my opinion, still just a formality. It has been the capital of Israel since 1967, in reality whether the rest of the world wants to recognize it or not. The USA moving the embassy to the capital is great, and I am for it, but it does not change what has been a reality for decades.
    It is a quite real country, while not a religious theocracy as in the past, it is mostly Jewish and there is nothing fake about it.
    This is called replacement theology and it is against the SOP for this forum and not something most of us would agree with by any means. Please do some research on why it is an incorrect belief and a pervasive disease in the Christian faith.
    As for the "documentary" I think I will steer clear of anything involving Paul Wittenberger or Steven Anderson. Paul is a conspiracy theorist also known for such "documentaries" as "New World Order Bible Versions" about why non-KJV 1611 are based on a conspiracy for the NWO and Steven is a pastor at a fundamental Baptist church - neither of these people could be deemed "non-partisan" by any stretch of the term and anything created by them would inherently have a bias towards their views.
     
  11. Femi Williams

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    Thanks for sharing your insight. I do quite agree with what you have said, and having done a bit of digging on Steven Anderson, I can easily understand why it would be wise to steer clear of such people. Nevertheless, as a Christian, the bible does tell me to test everything, and I didn't think the documentary appeared to be biased, but I suppose I don't quite fully know the whole story (atleast not from the other side), so perhaps, I shouldn't have share it not knowing full well what Judaism is about.
     
  12. tampasteve

    tampasteve Tampa, Florida, USA, Earth, Sol, Orion arm Supporter

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    This is something that I have to make sure to do as well :)

    I almost converted to Judaism based on some very persuasive arguments against Yeshua as Messiach, but when I dug deeper into the opposite explanations and points of view my perception changed. It is imperative to try and seek out both sides of an argument so we can make an informed decision. :)
     
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