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I’m not encouraging violence, I just don’t understand this strange idea that half the country are supposedly furiously angry when it suits, but at the same time they supposedly can’t find a handful of people to protest unless they’re paid to do so. The women’s march in 2017 had between 3.3-5.6 million attendees, and we’re quibbling over 200 protesters? Really?
as i said - most people are sensible enough to vote rather than form violent mobs to protest - that is why mobs need to be paid to do something nonsensical

did you hear the latest news? - the angry mob is now angry that they didn't get paid after all? - so that proves they were not motivated by anything other than money - as i said - nonsense

smart people on the left and right choose to vote - most people are smart
 
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How can one know for sure that they aren't paid protestors?

Why does it matter if they're paid or unpaid? Do protesters convince anyone of anything? Does anyone finding people standing outside with signs and chanting slogs to be persuasive? And the more unruly the group, the less I find them convincing and the more I find that I want to just oppose an unruly group.
 
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How can one know for sure that they aren't paid protestors?
Exactly. There's no way we can no for sure that they aren't witches. Uh, I mean lizard people conspiring to overthrow the government. No wait, I mean paid protesters. Yeah, that's a less outlandish way to try and ignore what is actually going on.
 
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Why does it matter if they're paid or unpaid? Do protesters convince anyone of anything? Does anyone finding people standing outside with signs and chanting slogs to be persuasive? And the more unruly the group, the less I find them convincing and the more I find that I want to just oppose an unruly group.
amen - this is true

but as to why does it matter if they are paid or not? - it goes to the veracity of the protest -

if they were paid then they could just be mercenaries - meaning they are not necessarily in agreement with what they are doing - they are only doing it for money - they are actors/pretenders making a short movie - it's all make-believe
 
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amen - this is true

but as to why does it matter if they are paid or not? - it goes to the veracity of the protest -

if they were paid then they could just be mercenaries - meaning they are not necessarily in agreement with what they are doing - they are only doing it for money
Then they are being paid to sway opinion--the same as an ad agency making political commercials just for the money. On the other hand, they could be people who seriously support the cause but could not, without financial support, afford to travel to and remain at the protest site.
 
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Then they are being paid to sway opinion--the same as an ad agency making political commercials just for the money. On the other hand, they could be people who seriously support the cause but could not, without financial support, afford to travel to and remain at the protest site.
true - it could be that they believe in what they are doing and can't pay their way - many have wondered at their youthfulness and availability - thinking perhaps they are unemployed - which means they are not contributing members in society

so i guess more info on the individuals is needed to know for sure who they are

i saw a few interviews and most of those interviewed happened to work for soros in one of his organizations - and one was a nurse who said she was paying her own way

imo most of those NOT interviewed would have been a liability to the movement - iow they don't make a sympathetic or articulated case when interviewed -

i have seen reporters ask questions of protesters and the lack of understanding of the issues is made clear by the way those interviewed can't explain the particulars of the cause they claim to support - they are easily discombobulated by intelligent questions on their knowledge of the issues

so it does appear to me that most or even all of these violent angry protesters are paid mercenaries / actors / pretenders
 
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Then they are being paid to sway opinion--the same as an ad agency making political commercials just for the money.
you are saying that paying mercenaries to pretend they are upset by issues and acting as a violent enraged mob is an ethical and valid form of political advertising?

i would say it is more like false advertising
 
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you are saying that paying mercenaries to pretend they are upset by issues and acting as a violent enraged mob is an ethical and valid form of political advertising?

i would say it is more like false advertising
If the protesters are violent (intentionally causing bodily injury or property damage) then the protest is illegal whether the protesters are paid or not.
 
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If the protesters are violent (intentionally causing bodily injury or property damage) then the protest is illegal whether the protesters are paid or not.
true - i perhaps should have said volatile/aggressive/threatening/harassing/bullying - or something that describes getting in a person's face - blocking their way - shouting - screaming - pounding on doors - trespassing on property - swearing - threatening - etc

or maybe not - here is the meaning of violent with it's synonyms

vi·o·lent
[ˈvī(ə)lənt]
ADJECTIVE
  1. using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
    "a violent confrontation with riot police"
    synonyms:
    brutal · vicious · savage · harsh · rough · aggressive · bullying · threatening · terrorizing · fierce · wild · intemperate · hotheaded · hot-tempered · bloodthirsty · ferocious · berserk · frenzied · in a frenzy · out of control · barbarous · barbaric · thuggish · cutthroat · homicidal · murderous · maniacal · rabid · inhuman · heartless · callous · ruthless · merciless · pitiless · cruel · radge · powerful · forceful · hard · sharp · smart · strong · vigorous · mighty · hefty · harsh · thunderous · savage · ferocious · fierce · brutal · vicious· destructive · damaging · painful · lethal · deadly · fatal · mortal · death-dealing antonyms: gentle · weak
 
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Why didn't the loving Jesus defend the Smyrnans (Revelation 2:10)?

Also, why do you allow babies to be murdered in abortion clinics?

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Also, we should not try to employ the human "legality" of abortion as the reason for our pacifism toward the slaughter of innocents in abortion clinics. For if we believe that God expects us to employ violence to protect our innocent families, no matter what man-made law might someday forbid that, then how can we claim that God does not expect us to also employ violence to protect innocent babies in abortion clinics, no matter what man-made laws forbid that?

That is, imagine that San Francisco (an extremely liberal city) passes an ordinance which forbids the civilian firing of a gun, or the civilian employment of any other form of violence against anyone at anytime, even in self-defense. And imagine that you and your family are staying at a hotel there when an armed man breaks through your hotel-room door to attack your family. Are you going to say: "Oh, gee, I know that God expects me to defend my family with violence, but I have to be a pacifist now, so I that don't break the city law"? Or are you going to say: "I don't care what any stupid, man-made law says, I must obey God and protect my family with violence".

And if you would say the latter, then on what basis would you decline to say, regarding abortion: "I don't care what any stupid, man-made law says. I must obey God and defend these little babies with violence"?

And if you would reply with something like: "God only expects me to protect my family, not the babies of strangers", then imagine that you see the baby of a stranger in a stroller on the sidewalk outside of an abortion clinic, about to be killed by a crazy homeless man with a knife. Are you going to pass by as a pacifist, because: "God only expects me to protect my own family, not the babies of strangers"? Or are you going to employ violence to save the baby? And if the latter, then what God-supported reason do you have not to rush in and also save the babies inside the clinic, who are about to be knifed by abortion doctors?

Or, imagine that your daughter gets pregnant by her boyfriend, and lets the baby grow in her womb for about six months. You think that she is okay with becoming a mom, but then one day someone tips you off that she is down at the abortion clinic about to be operated on. Are you going to go down there and employ violence to save your own little grandson or granddaughter in her womb from being cut to shreds, to fulfill your God-mandated duty to protect your family with violence? Or are you going to say: "No, I have to let this family member be cut to shreds, no matter what God says, because of the man-made law allowing abortion"?

All of this is said not to in any way encourage violence against abortion clinics, but to show that pacifism is the only consistent, Biblical response to all of the awful evil in the world, just as Jesus Christ taught us:

Matthew 5:39 . . . I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

You know that's a VERY good question. I don't know that it's the right answer here, but here it goes.

We ultimately will answer to God for our actions. But man also has laws which we answer to. The law has deemed (hypoctrically I might add) that a mother has a right to have her baby killed. It leaves the decision to do so up to the mother. For me to intervene with violence is against the law. Therefore we don't intervene with violence because it breaks the law and we would be charged with murder. How God looks at it though is I don't believe he would condemn us for those actions based upon Biblical incidents.

Using physical violence in the defense of someone else is NOT against the law if it is justified. And the law gives the justification. Therefore, if I use the appropriate amount of violence in the appropriate situation I am not breaking the law. And I don't believe I am breaking God's laws either and so won't face judgement for that.

Bottom line of understanding is God does not COMMAND us to use violence in the protection of Innocents. However he also does not forbid it either.

So to sum it up, using violence against an abortion doctor would result in being judged by man's laws and you would suffer the consequences of man's justice. I don't think you would suffer judgement from God.

Using violence to protect someone from being murdered wouldn't result in being judged by man's laws nor would you suffer judgement by God.
 
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amen - this is true

but as to why does it matter if they are paid or not? - it goes to the veracity of the protest -

if they were paid then they could just be mercenaries - meaning they are not necessarily in agreement with what they are doing - they are only doing it for money - they are actors/pretenders making a short movie - it's all make-believe

This is such a POWERFUL point. Would all these folks be protesting and causing a disturbance if they weren't paid? Just exactly how many would show up if there was no money involved? There is no way of knowing of course, but it does make you wonder. The paid folks are just mercenary. They are quite worthless when it comes to determining the mood of the country and the number of folks who really care about the issue.
 
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This is such a POWERFUL point. Would all these folks be protesting and causing a disturbance if they weren't paid?
Given the turnouts for various marches in the past few years, I'd say yes. Unless you're saying millions of people have been paid to march. Then I'd want evidence.
 
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Given the turnouts for various marches in the past few years, I'd say yes. Unless you're saying millions of people have been paid to march. Then I'd want evidence.
And to find out how to get in on some of that money.
 
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This is such a POWERFUL point. Would all these folks be protesting and causing a disturbance if they weren't paid? Just exactly how many would show up if there was no money involved? There is no way of knowing of course, but it does make you wonder. The paid folks are just mercenary. They are quite worthless when it comes to determining the mood of the country and the number of folks who really care about the issue.
yes - i also have great doubts about this whole event too -
 
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Given the turnouts for various marches in the past few years, I'd say yes. Unless you're saying millions of people have been paid to march. Then I'd want evidence.
the paid protests where people behave really badly - are smaller - like around 200 - soros has more than enough money to pay each person $100 or more - strange that he reneged on that promise - i heard that it was because the protesters went too far and spoiled the effect - iow the desired effect was not achieved

the protests where there are hundreds of thousands - like the women's march after trump was elected - were organized with speakers and a pre-planned agenda - they were advertised and promoted heavily to make sure hundreds of thousands showed up - so the money would have gone into paying the organizers - advertisers - etc - AND those who attend would therefore be there genuinely because they weren't paid
 
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So I think we have our answer - no, most people aren't being paid to protest.

That doesn't change the fact that many of these protestors are being paid. Especially the disruptive ones. The very large events for the most part aren't disruptive like the ones we are talking about. They are special events with special speakers. Quite different.
 
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both are easily done - the 200 paid protestors against kavanaugh were for the photo op to stir up the anger of socialist democrats against the american way of life -

Do you have a citation for this?

the latest poll says 33% of young people are preferring socialist democrats like bernie over the old style democrats - that is how you find 10's of million vs paid protestors

What, exactly to think they have in mind (geographically) when they prefer "socialist democrats". I mean do have a country they might want the U.S. to emulate.
 
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both are easily done - the 200 paid protestors against kavanaugh were for the photo op to stir up the anger of socialist democrats against the american way of life -
What makes you think that "socialist democrats" are not part of the "American way of life?" Maybe your definition of the American way of life is just too partisan and self-serving.
 
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