Trump Jr. Attacks Teachers

[The Barbarian]

It takes a skill for a teacher to educate rather than just indoctrinate. It is a mark of self-righteousness where teachers would presume that their view are the moral ones.

 

[gideon123]

I think the real issue is simpler ... why are people angry? For what reason?

I just had the same discussion with a Christian missionary, an American who returned back home to the USA. He said that two things are noticeable about American Christians:

1. They are very politicized.
2. They are upset or angry.

And his point was this ... Americans still have so much more than other people in the world. So what on Earth do people have to complain about? But this Spirit of Diviseness, Anger, and Violence is doing great harm to America. And American Christians are buying into it.

That is the reason why these remarks by Donald Trump and his son are doing great harm. It is exploitation by Trump, he is feeding discord and anger.

Should any American President be doing this?

 

[Erik Nelson]

Full text at https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...d-world/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ffd28180730f

Is the USA really this close to the abyss?

For teachers around the globe a chilling moment....

because of their anti-conservative political preferences (according to the data, the median professor in the 50th percentile is a liberal democrat):

 

[Erik Nelson]

Those horrible liberal ideals like reading, writing, math, science ...

The horror!

Math & science have long "oppressed & marginalized people & communities of color", raped the planet, and economically oppressed:

Seattle Public Schools Teaching ‘Math Ethnic Studies,’ Asks, ‘Who Gets To Say If An Answer Is Right?’

Power and Oppression

Yes, Seattle has determined that such terms exist in addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. The theme is defined as “the ways in which individuals and groups define mathematical knowledge so as to see ‘Western’ mathematics as the only legitimate expression of mathematical identity and intelligence.”

“This definition of legitimacy is then used to disenfranchise people and communities of color. This erases the historical contributions of people and communities of color,” the framework continues.

The “learning targets” for this themes state that students will be able to “analyze the ways in which ancient mathematical knowledge has been appropriated by Western culture” and to identify and explain how math and other sciences have been “used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color.”

Further, students will be able to “critique systems of power that deny access to mathematical knowledge to people and communities of color,” “identify the inherent inequities of the standardized testing system used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color,” “explain how math has been used to exploit natural resources,” and “explain how math dictates economic oppression.”​

 

[Go Braves]

I think the real issue is simpler ... why are people angry? For what reason?

I just had the same discussion with a Christian missionary, an American who returned back home to the USA. He said that two things are noticeable about American Christians:

1. They are very politicized.
2. They are upset or angry.

And his point was this ... Americans still have so much more than other people in the world. So what on Earth do people have to complain about? But this Spirit of Diviseness, Anger, and Violence is doing great harm to America. And American Christians are buying into it.

That is the reason why these remarks by Donald Trump and his son are doing great harm. It is exploitation by Trump, he is feeding discord and anger.

Should any American President be doing this?

Excellent post.

 

[Kristopher Kolumbus]

Full text at https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...d-world/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ffd28180730f

Is the USA really this close to the abyss?

Mass liberalism among educators is NOT a good thing. Most liberals teach that abortion is acceptable and a desirable option for pregnant young women in uncertain situations. Do you really think it’s a moral and ethical if schoolkids are being taught that it’s okay for pregnant women to murder their unborn baby? Bible verses like Jeremiah 1:5 affirm that life in the womb is life. Ultimately, he is right to criticize the liberalism among teachers and professors, since they would teach impressionable young minds that the pro-abortion position is acceptable.

 

[JackRT]

Mass liberalism among educators is NOT a good thing. Most liberals teach that abortion is acceptable and a desirable option for pregnant young women in uncertain situations. Do you really think it’s a moral and ethical if schoolkids are being taught that it’s okay for pregnant women to murder their unborn baby? Bible verses like Jeremiah 1:5 affirm that life in the womb is life. Ultimately, he is right to criticize the liberalism among teachers and professors, since they would teach impressionable young minds that the pro-abortion position is acceptable.

I spent my entire career as a teacher. I am also a liberal but I have never ever used my position as a teacher to further my political or religious beliefs. I think that the majority of teachers may be liberals but I am not aware of any of them pushing their beliefs on anyone. I have been a Christian for over 75 years and I am also a liberal because that is the only way I know to maintain my moral, ethical, spiritual and intellectual integrity.

On the issue of abortion I am pro-choice but I am also pro-life.
There is one thing that a great many people don’t understand about being pro-choice. You do not have to morally agree with abortion to be pro-choice. That is why it is not called pro-abortion. It is an undertstanding that you can’t make that choice for someone else. In fact most pro-choice people are not pro-abortion.
I am against abortion beyond the twentieth week except in very rare extreme circumstances.. Otherwise I believe that abortion should be legal, it should be safe, it should be available and it should be the woman’s informed choice but most important of all --- it should be rare. In conclusion, we should always keep in mind that there are no more powerful abortifacients in the world than poverty and ignorance.

 

[Yarddog]

"these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth" is a little more specific.

Just what or who are these teachers that are teaching socialism from birth?

 

[Yarddog]

Education by gov't based schools is called indoctrination - the very definition of anti-education.

Isn't education by privately funded schools the very definition of indoctrination as well?

 

[Aldebaran]

Those horrible liberal ideals like reading, writing, math, science ...

The horror!

Actually, to quote what was actually said from the OP's article: "You don’t have to be indoctrinated by these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth."

 

[Aldebaran]

Personally, I have no problem with my children being exposed to different points of view. I can then discuss this with them myself. Seems preferable to insulating them and perpetuating the increasingly siloed world we live in.

What if children being exposed to a point of view meant the teacher telling the children that the opposing point of view of conservatism, or gun ownership is something their parents need to be reported for?

 

[HardHead]

"these loser teachers that are trying to sell you on socialism from birth" is a little more specific.

This specificity does not make the comment acceptable.

 

[HannahT]

The president has done or said things to earn all those epithets (except subhuman - I never called him that).

However, generalizing an entire group of people without evidence is not appropriate. But, also very Trump-like.

It's also very popular to mischaracterized what he said. He was upset at teachers that indoctrinate children on socialism, and not the entire group.

No offense, but that isn't very comprehension-like either. It's being disingenuous.

That is the reason why these remarks by Donald Trump and his son are doing great harm. It is exploitation by Trump, he is feeding discord and anger.

Should any American President be doing this?

The discord and anger is what brought this President to the executive office I'm afraid. We have a very intolerant culture today.

If you don't agree with certain POV you either get mischaracterized like the poster did above, or claim they have some ism, phobia or hate in their heart. Listening to another POV is deemed outrageous - and has been for at least 10+ years. People have been so arrogant and self righteous that they think it's perfectly acceptable to destroy those that disagree with their point of view.

People claiming their approach doesn't do great harm and cause discord and anger are being very naive. They just don't like a taste of their own medicine. (Shrugs) Most people don't. Yet, Trump was created and elected due to this 'we are all that' attitude from the opposite direction. He wouldn't be in office if the culture at large wasn't feeding the discord, contempt and anger to begin with.

That's been going on for years prior to Trump. He just does it in the same nasty manner, but in the opposite direction.

Should the media and politicians make excuses for doing it also? They are also leaders, and have shown no problem being jerks just like Trump can be. They claim they are punching back, but they have no problem taking a punch first themselves. Then name calling, labeling, etc is all acceptable unless its a Trump. Then HUGE problem. (eye rolls)

I personally don't like Trump. Never have. I also don't like the remarks coming from the other side that seem to feel they are perfectly within their rights to do it all these years prior. Now it seems like there is a competition to the top of the Jerk Train, and I see them pretty even in that race.

You can't claim we need civility when people can't show it themselves. Then when reminded of their lack of civility themselves? THey come back like some child claiming they need to do it first otherwise I don't need too. That's not leadership either. That's encouraging the discord and anger.

The division started way before Trump, and dare I say even Obama. It just seems to be getting worse, and people that think it was Trump aren't paying close enough attention.

 

[Aldebaran]

Just what or who are these teachers that are teaching socialism from birth?

See post #84 for some examples.

 

[Aldebaran]

Math & science have long "oppressed & marginalized people & communities of color", raped the planet, and economically oppressed:

Seattle Public Schools Teaching ‘Math Ethnic Studies,’ Asks, ‘Who Gets To Say If An Answer Is Right?’

Power and Oppression

Yes, Seattle has determined that such terms exist in addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. The theme is defined as “the ways in which individuals and groups define mathematical knowledge so as to see ‘Western’ mathematics as the only legitimate expression of mathematical identity and intelligence.”

“This definition of legitimacy is then used to disenfranchise people and communities of color. This erases the historical contributions of people and communities of color,” the framework continues.

The “learning targets” for this themes state that students will be able to “analyze the ways in which ancient mathematical knowledge has been appropriated by Western culture” and to identify and explain how math and other sciences have been “used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color.”

Further, students will be able to “critique systems of power that deny access to mathematical knowledge to people and communities of color,” “identify the inherent inequities of the standardized testing system used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color,” “explain how math has been used to exploit natural resources,” and “explain how math dictates economic oppression.”​

Next, they'll be showing us learning how to read contributes to global warming, and learning how to spell correctly leads to mass shootings. Nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[Yarddog]

See post #84 for some examples.

What does that have to do with socialism?

 

[Aldebaran]

What does that have to do with socialism?

That type of teaching is what you get with a socialistic model. For reference, I'll give you a link to a website that praises a socialistic program for education, and even Karl Marx. Read about what they want, and then look at post #84 again and you'll see the similarity: The Socialist Program for Education | Socialist Alternative

 

[Erik Nelson]

Next, they'll be showing us learning how to read contributes to global warming, and learning how to spell correctly leads to mass shootings. Nothing surprises me anymore.

is it "civics" or "anti-civics" ?

 

[Bobber]

There were also a couple of teachers who were much too vocal about their personal evangelical Christian faith too.

I'm curious. Was that merely because they merely said Merry Christmas? What was the thing that ticked you off so much?

 

[Bobber]

"these loser teachers" is painting with a very broad brush.

Sorry but it's not. He said loser teachers who teach socialism.