Trump Jr. Attacks Teachers

[Daniel Martinovich]

As does the right from what we see overseas in varied international media.

PS. and Twitter

Which is why I specified the American right which is dominated by Christians. The European right is a completely different animal.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

That's an ironic statement coming from a Trump supporter.

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Conservative Christians who support Donald Trump don't have a moral right to complain and point a judgmental finger at liberals for any kind of sinful behavior. Any attempt to pretend to be morally indignant at liberals for their immoral behavior and to point a judgmental finger at said liberals could be seen as blatant hypocrisy on the part of the conservative Christian Trump supporter.

I didnt vote for Trump in the primaries and had little choice in the general. But I’m now a full supporter based on his policies.
Leftist policies, doesn’t matter what the motivation is behind them are geared towards the destruction of the nation.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

The Trump family have become the flag bearers for the new Age Of Ignorance. This has nothing to do with socialism, conservatism, or liberals. Nothing. That is just a battle cry they use to shout down opponents.

The Trumps are the poster boys for the kids who fell asleep in class when the teacher was talking about manners, citizenship, and the Constitution.

Born and bred New Yorker, (the city.) He possess the typical mannerisms. Love it or hate it.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Sure there are a few on the right that do that. We don’t have to lie about who we are or our political opponents are though.

Maybe you don’t, but plenty on the right do just that.

 

[The Barbarian]

but, judging from the reaction, it is perfectly all right with all manner of Americans to have the president of the United States called a fascist, racist, imbecile, subhuman, and the like.

Those include terms republicans have used for him. (examples on request)

 

[gordonhooker]

Which is why I specified the American right which is dominated by Christians. The European right is a completely different animal.

right - whatever he said LOL

 

[The Barbarian]

It also bears repeating that things like racial and religious equality, honesty, and so on, are considered "socialistic" by the extreme right.

But traditionally, these are American values, shared by the great majority of Americans. That's what's really chapping Don Jr.

 

[JackRT]

It also bears repeating that things like racial and religious equality, honesty, and so on, are considered "socialistic" by the extreme right.

But traditionally, these are American values, shared by the great majority of Americans. That's what's really chapping Don Jr.

Agreed! The values lf those "liberal teachers" that are being condemned actually are those American values that are shared widely across the nation.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I also have a home schooled child, but not all parents are able to do that for their children.

They could, however, afford to school their children appropriately without any government approved indoctrination biases if the government, instead of running schools, simply allowed parents to spend the money the government now spends on education to shop for schooling for their children as they see fit.

 

[JackRT]

A problem here is that those American values that are so widely proclaimed are not so often put in practice. It would be interesting to know whether conservatives or liberals are more consistent in putting these values into practice.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Agreed! The values lf those "liberal teachers" that are being condemned actually are those American values that are shared widely across the nation.

And which values would those be? Free market capitalism? Individual rights and responsibilities? Patriotism? The sanctity of human life? The right to private property? All classical liberal values are they not? But why should a teacher consider it their task to indoctrinate students into a political POV or ideology that the teacher agrees with or the state mandates or the union or school board favors
when the goal of education is to teach students to think for themselves to learn to reason and question assumptions and to test whether or not a thing is true or false. It is not the goal of legitimate education to make sure students conform to someone's opinion of what are widely shared values.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

They could, however, afford to school their children appropriately without any government approved indoctrination biases if the government, instead of running schools, simply allowed parents to spend the money the government now spends on education to shop for schooling for their children as they see fit.

Or, parents could teach values at home. Schools, particularly at the elementary level, do not indoctrinate kids - they teach basic skills like reading, writing, math.

Parents can supplement this education with teaching values at home.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Or, parents could teach values at home. Schools, particularly at the elementary level, do not indoctrinate kids - they teach basic skills like reading, writing, math.

Parents can supplement this education with teaching values at home.

Unfortunately though I wish the elementary schools followed the path you mentioned that is not the case. They begin teaching values as soon as the kids show up. Some values are fairly reasonable ones having to do with conducting oneself within the confines of a classroom but others are based on political ideology. Reciting the pledge of allegiance for instance or celebrating earth day.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Unfortunately though I wish the elementary schools followed the path you mentioned that is not the case. They begin teaching values as soon as the kids show up. Some values are fairly reasonable ones having to do with conducting oneself within the confines of a classroom but others are based on political ideology. Reciting the pledge of allegiance for instance or celebrating earth day.

Oh the horror that kids be patriotic and care about the environment.

 

[The Barbarian]

And which values would those be? Free market capitalism? Individual rights and responsibilities? Patriotism? The sanctity of human life? The right to private property? All classical liberal values are they not? But why should a teacher consider it their task to indoctrinate students into a political POV or ideology that the teacher agrees with or the state mandates or the union or school board favors
when the goal of education is to teach students to think for themselves to learn to reason and question assumptions and to test whether or not a thing is true or false. It is not the goal of legitimate education to make sure students conform to someone's opinion of what are widely shared values.

There are some basic values in American society. And it's important for schools to reinforce those values.

Be loyal
Be honest
Be kind
Be reliable
Be tolerant
Be respectful of people and their property

We should overtly teach these American values. Teachers should model them constantly.

 

[childeye 2]

It sounds like he was attacking teachers who promote politically liberal views.

Actually, I perceive people who speak like this as projecting their own bias. Since oligarchies would not be supported by the masses in a functional democracy, socialism has always been mischaracterized as evil by the rich and powerful, so as to persuade a gullible public to support what is against their own interests.

 

[JM]

True. Back in my chat days the room was filled with teachers. I was pretty shocked. It was during school hours. And it wasn't a wholesome place.

People like to paint teachers are great martyrs doing God's work. The teachers I know do it for the pay cheque and extravagant retirement benefits. They teach three classes a day, have a prep class and the summer off.

Sounds mint to me.

 

[JackRT]

And which values would those be? Free market capitalism? Individual rights and responsibilities? Patriotism? The sanctity of human life? The right to private property? All classical liberal values are they not? But why should a teacher consider it their task to indoctrinate students into a political POV or ideology that the teacher agrees with or the state mandates or the union or school board favors
when the goal of education is to teach students to think for themselves to learn to reason and question assumptions and to test whether or not a thing is true or false. It is not the goal of legitimate education to make sure students conform to someone's opinion of what are widely shared values.

I taught mathematics and physics so I was in a "politically safe" position but even so I took advantage of "teachable moments" to let my students know that certain behaviours --- bullying, shaming, vandalism, theft and the like ---- are simply unacceptable in a civilized society. It is part and parcel in teaching them how to think for themselves.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I taught mathematics and physics so I was in a "politically safe" position but even so I took advantage of "teachable moments" to let my students know that certain behaviours --- bullying, shaming, vandalism, theft and the like ---- are simply unacceptable in a civilized society. It is part and parcel in teaching them how to think for themselves.

As I said values are always going to be taught in school. Teaching a political ideology as if it is a moral value similar to the ones you mention is what many of us object to.

 

[JackRT]

As I said values are always going to be taught in school. Teaching a political ideology as if it is a moral value similar to the ones you mention is what many of us object to.

I suspect that teaching a political ideology in school is actually far more common on the right than on the left. In either case, I agree that it is wrong