Trump Fulfills Jerusalem Prophecy Today

BABerean2 said:

The most wicked thing we can do to any group of people is to claim they have a relationship with God outside of Christ.

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BABerean2 said:

I have no disgust for any group or nation of people.

I used the passage in comparison with what Paul said at the end of Romans chapter 2.

I am disgusted with the actions of many in the modern Church who ignore 1 John 2:22-23 and
the verses below, and fail to share the Gospel with all races of people.

The most wicked thing we can do to any group of people is to claim they have a relationship with God outside of Christ.

1Ti_1:4　 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9　 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Maybe you truly don't feel a disgust for these, I guess only you and God really knows, but believe me, many of those in the past I have encountered, who used this passage as well, they most certainly did. Some of them went as far as to claim no Jews were killed during the holocaust, because the ones killed weren't real Jews, they were sons of satan instead. Arnold Murray, for one, called these Jews currently living over there, Kenites, which he took to mean literal sons of satan, as in they were the result of satan literally producing offspring via Eve in the garden. And this very verse, Revelation 3:9, was one of his main verses he used to supposedly help prove his case.

All of that aside, what are your thoughts on this portion of that verse you presented....behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee(Revelation 3:9)? One can't ignore that part. It's clearly included in that verse, and that it is meaning the ones who are of the synagogue of satan.

DavidPT said:

Maybe you truly don't feel a disgust for these, I guess only you and God really knows, but believe me, many of those in the past I have encountered, who used this passage as well, they most certainly did. Some of them went as far as to claim no Jews were killed during the holocaust, because the ones killed weren't real Jews, they were sons of satan instead. Arnold Murray, for one, called these Jews currently living over there, Kenites, which he took to mean literal sons of satan, as in they were the result of satan literally producing offspring via Eve in the garden. And this very verse, Revelation 3:9, was one of his main verses he used to supposedly help prove his case.

All of that aside, what are your thoughts on this portion of that verse you presented....behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee(Revelation 3:9)? One can't ignore that part. It's clearly included in that verse, and that it is meaning the ones who are of the synagogue of satan.

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Php 3:2　 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!　
Php 3:3　 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,　
Php 3:4　 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so:　
Php 3:5　 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee;　
Php 3:6　 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.　
Php 3:7　 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ.　
Php 3:8　 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ

Who was Paul talking about at the beginning of the passage above?

Why would he say something like this?


How about the following? Why would Paul make this remark?

Galatians 5:12
(CJB)　 I wish the people who are bothering you would go the whole way and castrate themselves!

(ESV)　 I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!

(Geneva)　 Would to God they were euen cut off, which doe disquiet you.

(GW)　 I wish those troublemakers would castrate themselves.

(LITV-TSP)　 I would that the ones causing you to doubt will cut themselves off.

(KJV)　 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

(KJV+)　 I wouldG3785 they were evenG2532 cut offG609 which troubleG387 you.G5209


(NKJV)　 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!

(YLT)　 O that even they would cut themselves off who are unsettling you!


The battle that Paul was engaged in is still going on today, in the modern state of Israel between those who have rejected Christ and those who have accepted him.
Those who speak last in this video are Israelites, who are my Brothers, in Christ.

　
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DavidPT said:

many of those in the past I have encountered, who used this passage as well, they most certainly did. Some of them went as far as to claim no Jews were killed during the holocaust, because the ones killed weren't real Jews, they were sons of satan instead. Arnold Murray, for one, called these Jews currently living over there, Kenites, which he took to mean literal sons of satan, as in they were the result of satan literally producing offspring via Eve in the garden.

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Never heard that. Sounds a bit kooky to me....

What I do know is that Modern day Jews have no relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew people.
Today's Jews don't follow the mandatory feasts of Moses. Why don't they do what Moses commanded? Because today's "jews" don't follow the Old Covenant whatsoever. They don't have anything in common with the ancient Hebrews, nor do they even have their bloodlines, so far as anyone knows. The tribal system went extinct in the first century, and it did so precisely because the Jewish Messiah came and made the faith of Abraham universal to all people groups. In contrast with the Covenant of Moses, The Messiah's Covenant detached from race, from animal sacrifices, from the Temple, from the priestly class of Aaron, and from any earthly city--and it delivered this NEW judaism decades before the OLD judaism went extinct at AD 70. This proves that Christianity was of divine origin. They prophetically foresaw that the Old system was about to vanish (Heb 8:13) and history proves they were true prophets.

All the tribes and bloodlines were lost 20 centuries ago. Call that what you want, but that's the reality. Now, Christianity has an explanation for why this happened. The loss of the tribes, the priesthood of Aaron, the animal sacrifice, the Temple occurred because *all* people-groups were destined by God to be partakers in Abraham's faith. This prophecy of Gen 12:3 was fulfilled in the first century. (Be sure to note that Galatians 3:7-14 is the biblical interpretation of Genesis 12:3).

Modern Judaism was created long after AD 70 and has little at all in common with the religion mandated by Moses at Sinai, which the ancient Hebrews practiced from 1500 BC to AD 70. In fact, today's Talmudic Judaism is much closer to Christianity than to the religion the biblical Hebrews were required to practice. (Just read Leviticus and ask yourself, "Do any Jews today do this"?) ..and we know from scripture that there is no such thing as "Jews" that didn't follow the Torah. Such "Jews" were excommunicated from among the people of God and were considered heathen (Ex 12:14-15,19; Ex 31:14). Such a person was at that point considered a heathen and not a child of Abraham.

Do you know where the priests are today who will identify the rest? Do you know where the Urim and Thummim are (Ez. 2:63)? Of course not.

To follow what Moses commanded, Jews *must* be able to be reckoned by genealogy. They can no longer identify any sons of Abraham by lineage (and that's another reason why Jesus MUST be the messiah). This is precisely because the NEW covenant made with Israel was for all people groups and was no longer attached to the priestly class of Aaron or animal sacrifices. And when the NEW covenant was made, the OLD one went extinct.

Amazing History.
The NEW covenant was made with the Church of Israel. There is no "church" outside of Israel. The Church of Israel dates back to Moses (Acts 7:38) and existed throughout the OT age.

The only true Israel today with any authorized covenant is the Nazarene sect, which grew from a band of Twelve into worldwide Christianity, fulfilling the promise to Abraham (Gen 12:3/Gal 3:7-9/Rom4:13-18).

Uh, this is a terrible Idea. Its just going to cause more wars with those psychos. The US needs to stop being a zionist tool.

DavidPT said:

Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.


The prophecy also indicates some of the following. and one king shall be king to them all. I don't think that's quite the case yet. Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. The fact many of them still deny the Son, can't see this portion being true yet, either. The prophecy seems to indicate that once they are gathered in their own land, all of these other things mentioned in these verses will be true as well.

How you then are concluding Trump fulfills Ezekiel 37.15, when these other things mentioned in the verses that follow, are not even remotely the case as of yet, puzzles me?

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King of them all sure sounds like the King of Kings to me, Jesus.

James Honigman said:

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In any case, President Trump gave us a remarkable end of days sign today when he inadvertently put the sticks of Judah and Joseph back together today. Everyone should understand that the capital of the millennial reign and the eventual throne of God will be in Jerusalem. It is our Heavenly Father's favorite place on earth. For those of you who might not own a Bible (shame on you!) this is how it reads:

Say unto them, 'Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine hand. Ezekiel 37.19

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I have to say the following, just so at least some here will understand that what Trump did there was not really the actual... fulfillment of the Ezekiel 37 prophecy.

The joining of the two separate sticks is about one stick that represents the "house of Judah" (tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and some small remnants of the ten tribes that chose to join with Judah back in Rehoboam's days), and the other stick represents the ten tribed northern kingdom of the "house of Israel", made up of the majority of Israelites from the ten tribes.

The joining of those two sticks is to occur on the day of Jesus' return when He shall gather both houses of Israel back to the holy lands and make them one stick again in the old inheritances with David as their king.

As of today, the Jews in the state of Israel represent God's Promise to David and Jerusalem, that He would always leave one tribe in Jerusalem (1 Kings 11). That has never included the majority of the ten lost tribes of Israel though, i.e., the "house of Israel" in prophecy after the 1 Kings 11-12 split. Nor do the majority of the ten tribes represent Jews, nor were they ever called Jews.

The danger of thinking the Israel state today can represent God's Promises of restoring both 'houses' can be a trap to the coming "vile person" or "little horn" of Bible prophecy for the end. The orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build another temple and start up sacrifices again. Do you my Christian brethren really want to take part in that? Be careful!

ebedmelech said:

It's the Jerusalem above that is our mother...earthly Jerusalem has historical significance to the world but in my mind there's nothing prophetic in this event...NOTHING!

Trump simply said it like it should be...Israel has a sovereign right to call Jerusalem their capital, just like every other nation...PERIOD.

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Any significant event, such as this, dealing with Jerusalem, will be found to be significant in God's plan and the fulfillment of prophesy.

Are we not to "keep our eyes on Jerusalem"?

The significance of any event in the middle east's role in biblical prophesy is directly proportional to the level of resistance, anger and rebellion to it that it evokes in the anti Christian, anti Semitic Arab nations.

JacksBratt said:

Are we not to "keep our eyes on Jerusalem"?

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Which Jerusalem?


Gal 4:25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.



Heb 11:15 If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return.
Heb 11:16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.



Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,
Heb 12:23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
Heb 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


Many in the modern Church are confusing the Jerusalem on this rotten, sin-cursed world with the one that Christ built for us out of two pieces of wood and a handful of nails.

Only one is the real "eternal city" of Jerusalem, because one of them is going to be burned up, based on 2 Peter 3:10-13.

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BABerean2 said:

Which Jerusalem?


Gal 4:25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.



Heb 11:15 If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return.
Heb 11:16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.



Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,
Heb 12:23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
Heb 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

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There is more than one?

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vinsight4u said:

There is the holy city on the earth today and there is the one in heaven - New Jerusalem.
This is why the last part of Revelation refers to the holy city -as in this book. - because it is only about the New Jerusalem - and the messages are from the little book that John ate. This is why we have chapters 16-22 in Revelation.

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understood..... however, how am I supposed to keep my eye on a Jerusalem that is non existent until the end of the millennial age.

I'm pretty sure that the events and occurrences in the middle east, especially dealing with Israel and it's rightful capital, Jerusalem, is what is intended.

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JacksBratt said:

understood..... however, how am I supposed to keep my eye on a Jerusalem that is non existent until the end of the millennial age.

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The New Jerusalem is just as real as this computer I am now using.

However, it is now in heaven, based on what Paul said in Galatians 4:25-26.

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USA is the home of conspiracy theories, wild stories and end time 'experts'.

BABerean2 said:

The New Jerusalem is just as real as this computer I am now using.

However, it is now in heaven, based on what Paul said in Galatians 4:25-26.

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Before the New Jerusalem can come down out of heaven , the current Jerusalem will fulfill prophecies that will usher in the New Jerusalem ....you cannot reach the age of 21 until you have passed through age 1-20

Goatee said:

USA is the home of conspiracy theories, wild stories and end time 'experts'.

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There is only one conspiracy.

It started in the Garden of Eden and continues at the present time...

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Only if you're sent by God can you correctly interpret all of the scriptures. I suggest you people recognize the fact.

You're all spreading misinformation so much so that Christianity has become the ultimate illusion.

2Ti 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

If a chipmunk attacked Chicago city with a machine gun someone, somewhere, in good old USA would claim to have found that incident in the Bible somewhere!