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Trump Found Guilty on All 34 Counts In Hush-Money Trial

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Actually no, the case gets tossed on appeal.
Possible....but unlikely, I think. None of the questions I've heard raised seem to meet the standard of a reversible error. Certainly, if there were such a procedural or legal error in this case, one could wonder why Trump's legal team didn't address it during the trial.

But yes, Trump will be inaugurated because the voters of this country, knowing Trump was convicted on not just one but 32 felonies,
34. Just trying to be accurate here.

with Democrats outnumbering Republicans and outspending Trump by a margin greater than two to one, elected Trump in a fair election. It is not a matter of pride, it is a matter of justice.
Few of the voters in the last election were on the jury and saw all the evidence against Trump, along with the entirety of his legal defense.

But, of the 12 who were, all of them decided, unanimously, that he was guilty.

I've noticed that no one who has called this trial a "sham" or threw around charges of "lawfare" has ever been able to refute any of that evidence. Heck, I've yet to even see anyone address it at all.

-- A2SG, telling, that....
 
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The jury was manipulated by the judge.
Yeah, I've heard that said before. But I've read the entire text of his jury instructions, and I haven't seen where that might have occurred. Care to point out the specific parts?

This case will absolutely be overturned on appeal. The judge , the DA and any thinking honest legal minds all know it .
I've heard legal minds disagree on that. But, since I'm not one myself, I'll wait and see how the NY appeals court rules.

But, it seems a NY appeals court judge has denied Trump's motion to suspend sentencing, so the appeals court may not think the legal issues involved are as obvious as you do. I guess we'll just have to see.

The case is full appealable miss steps by the court. Most honest DA’s would never even have brought this case. This was just another get Trump by hook or crook liberal fiasco.
But what about the evidence? It was sufficient to convince the jury, unanimously of Trump's guilt. But then again, they saw that evidence. You didn't.

-- A2SG, and therein lies the difference....
 
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Yeah, I've heard that said before. But I've read the entire text of his jury instructions, and I haven't seen where that might have occurred. Care to point out the specific parts?
What was the specific crime used to elevate the misdemeanors to felonies? What was the jury told about that?
 
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This assessment has no foundation in fact. Both were George Soros hacks, This whole get Trump movement was a politically based witch hunt.
There are facts and there are alternative facts.
 
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Democrats may very well have added Vance to the charges had they known he would be the VP pick.
You should change your "tag line" below your "avatar" to "Unreasonable partisan". It would save us a lot of time taking your arguments seriously.
 
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You should change your "tag line" below your "avatar" to "Unreasonable partisan". It would save us a lot of time taking your arguments seriously.
They were incredibly imaginative with Trump. Never has even close to such a case been brought against an American citizen in the history of our country.
 
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They were incredibly imaginative with Trump. Never has even close to such a case been brought against an American citizen in the history of our country.
You could (and you have) argue that the NY prosecutors worked hard to get Trump's actions to fit within the statue (dealing with the felony/misdeamenor/statue of limitations issues, but Trump actually did make those payments. Others involved were his CFO, his son, and "fixer", and Stomy and her laywers.

Even if the application of the law was questionable the event happened and Donald J. Trump was involved. The NY prosecutors did not manufacture his participation which is exactly [why] your hyperbole about adding Vance is just weird and completely nonsense. He was some useless VC guy with a book about his life out in 2016/7 when it all happened.
 
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You could (and you have) argue that the NY prosecutors worked hard to get Trump's actions to fit within the statue (dealing with the felony/misdeamenor/statue of limitations issues, but Trump actually did make those payments. Others involved were his CFO, his son, and "fixer", and Stomy and her laywers.

Even if the application of the law was questionable the event happened and Donald J. Trump was involved. The NY prosecutors did not manufacture his participation which is exactly what your hyperbole about adding Vance is just weird and completely nonsense. He was some useless VC guy with a book about his life out in 2016/7 when it all happened.
That an NDA was signed or that payments were made is not in question. This is not uncommon among wealthy Democrats. For example,:
The controversy is not about an NDA, because like it or not NDAs are legal. It's about the misconduct on the part of the judge and district attorney in prosecuting Trump because one of his accountant's properly categorized the payment to the lawyer as a legal expense.
 
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They were incredibly imaginative with Trump. Never has even close to such a case been brought against an American citizen in the history of our country.
One would think before making this statement one would take pause and ask themselves, "I wonder if The Manhattan District Attorney's office had ever brought any other falsifying business records charges against anyone else"? Or is this really a case of "Never has even close to such a case been brought against an American citizen in the history of our country."? And again, given a quick minimal inquiry one would realize the answer is a resounding "yes". These charges are brought all the time from that office charging plenty of others, including from Bragg's office itself. There is nothing unimaginable about catching people cooking their books. Nor is there nothing unimaginable or out of character for the same individual in question to run an org that was also found guilty of tax fraud; seventeen of those counts.
 
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One would think before making this statement one would take pause and ask themselves, "I wonder if The Manhattan District Attorney's office had ever brought any other falsifying business records charges against anyone else"? Or is this really a case of "Never has even close to such a case been brought against an American citizen in the history of our country."? And again, given a quick minimal inquiry one would realize the answer is a resounding "yes". These charges are brought all the time from that office charging plenty of others, including from Bragg's office itself. There is nothing unimaginable about catching people cooking their books. Nor is there nothing unimaginable or out of character for the same individual in question to run an org that was also found guilty of tax fraud; seventeen of those counts.
34 felonies? I am skeptical. What is the highest number of felonies ever for signing an NDA and putting it down as a legal expense?
 
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That an NDA was signed or that payments were made is not in question.
Correct, Cohen paid Stormy out of his own pocket. (Payment #1)
The controversy is not about an NDA
Correct, it's about Trump paying Cohen (Payment #2) for imaginary legal services via false documentation in an attempt to disguise that payment #1 existed and had been made at Trump's behest.
 
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And here we are with Tump going back to the White House.
Yes, the felon and serial sex offender is our President-elect. Hurrah for us!
If many die hard liberals can’t figure out why they lost they will have a hard time pulling off the gaslighting strategy again.
We are not the ones doing the gaslighting. Perhaps we ought to, but I will not because it is disreputable even when it's effective.

Even some liberals have figured it out but are ignored by the hard left wing of the party.
Yes, the liberals and leftists are not hive-minded. Is that supposed to be news?
 
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34 felonies? I am skeptical. What is the highest number of felonies ever for signing an NDA and putting it down as a legal expense?
Try reading the indictment. Try reading the verdict. Try not to wing it so much.
 
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34 felonies? I am skeptical. What is the highest number of felonies ever for signing an NDA and putting it down as a legal expense?
Who knows? Furthermore, who cares as these particular felonies were for filing false business documents, not for signing an NDA or having one signed?

That an NDA was signed or that payments were made is not in question. This is not uncommon among wealthy Democrats. For example,:
So why keep bringing up the NDA? As you note, neither signing nor paying to have it signed are illegal.
The controversy is not about an NDA, because like it or not NDAs are legal.
Exactly. This is a red herring that keeps getting brought up to distract from the actual case.

It's about the misconduct on the part of the judge and district attorney in prosecuting Trump because one of his accountant's properly categorized the payment to the lawyer as a legal expense.
Nope. It wasn't "one of his accountants" who categorized the payment as a legal expense. If you would just look at the indictment, transcripts and evidence then you would know this. There was no legal expense because this was repayment of a loan by Cohen to the campaign for which Cohen spent years in jail/house arrest for not reporting (among other things).
 
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We are not the ones doing the gaslighting.
Well let’s check that out. 1. Biden is mentally sharp 2. The border is secure 3. The laptop was Russian disinformation 4. The Biden’s millions were all honestly earned 5. Trump is like Hitler 6. Kamala was not a socialist 7. Joe Biden got 81 million votes in 2020 but no one before or since has accomplished that. It appears the gaslighting is actually a major tactic of the left.
 
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Well let’s check that out. 1. Biden is mentally sharp 2. The border is secure 3. The laptop was Russian disinformation 4. The Biden’s millions were all honestly earned 5. Trump is like Hitler 6. Kamala was not a socialist 7. Joe Biden got 81 million votes in 2020 but no one before or since has accomplished that. It appears the gaslighting is actually a major tactic of the left.
Rabbit hole
 
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Well let’s check that out. 1. Biden is mentally sharp 2. The border is secure 3. The laptop was Russian disinformation 4. The Biden’s millions were honestly earned.
All true.
5. Trump is like Hitler
In what way?
6. Kamala was not a socialist
Correct.
7. Joe Biden got 81 million votes in 2020 but no one before or since has accomplished that.
Correct.
It appears the gaslighting is actually a major tactic of the left.
You've yet to provide any evidence of that.
 
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That an NDA was signed or that payments were made is not in question. This is not uncommon among wealthy Democrats. For example,:
The controversy is not about an NDA, because like it or not NDAs are legal. It's about the misconduct on the part of the judge and district attorney in prosecuting Trump because one of his accountant's properly categorized the payment to the lawyer as a legal expense.
I didn't say anything about NDAs. I was responding to your ridiculous inference that "they" could have cooked up charges on JD Vance for crimes he had no association with or connection to. At the time the crimes were committed Vance was criticizing Trump.
 
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