Trump EO eliminates Birthright Citizenship; 18 states and civil rights organizations sue to stop implementation, pointing to the 14th Amendment

[Goonie]

I thinkbthere is a case to be made that if parents are here illegally and citizens of another country that the child shouldn't be a US citizen by virtue of being born here. The 14th Ammendment was created because slaves had no citizenship and the their children could be be refused citizenship making them children without a state. They would have no citizen rights anywhere. It was created to give them the right of citizenship. If one looks at the reasons for the Ammendment it's application for the time I think there's an argument to be made against illegals coming to give their babies citizenship.

But I'm no scholar and this EO was written fir the purpose of letting the supreme court take a look at it and make a ruling on it.

I actually don't think they will rule against any baby born here getting citizenship.

And they absolutely could have written that in the amendment. But instead they declared all people.

 

[Belk]

No, because Trump is not a dictator and won’t start deporting legal citizens born abroad willy-nilly.

It has happened before. Within the last century. Your assurances ring somewhat hollow.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/5325400?storyId=5325400

 

[Nithavela]

It has happened before. Within the last century. Your assurances ring somewhat hollow.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/5325400?storyId=5325400

Bro, trust me. Trump is a good guy. He'll never do something bad.

So naive. It will take a lot more actions of Trump to crack that shell of denial, and it's too late, anyway. He has two years until the midterms.

 

[QvQ]

Yeah, I know you probably weren't serious, but I'm waiting for the rain to stop to clear some wood in the garden, so I had a few minutes to spare. Now we know a little more about the Russian birthrate and visa applications than we did a few minutes ago. It's surprising how much esoteric information you learn hanging around this forum...

Well, I am sitting on my back porch looking at Mexico. This part of the property is elevated so I can see over the wall but when I go to town I drive alongside it.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Some posts in this thread tell the status of our politics today. It seems that those supporting this executive order don't understand how constitutional amendments work, or they are so eager to support President Trump that they can't admit he cannot amend the Constitution with an EO.

The current state of our politics is so partisan that it hinders our ability to acknowledge the requirements necessary to amend the constitution.

 

[Nithavela]

Some posts in this thread tell the status of our politics today. It seems that those supporting this executive order don't understand how constitutional amendments work, or they are so eager to support President Trump that they can't admit he cannot amend the Constitution with an EO.

The current state of our politics is so partisan that it hinders our ability to acknowledge the requirements necessary to amend the constitution.

With enough force, any part of the constitution can be dismantled or reinterpretated. There is nothing "real" about the constitution, it's as made up as any other part of the government.

 

[Belk]

Bro, trust me. Trump is a good guy. He'll never do something bad.

So naive. It will take a lot more actions of Trump to crack that shell of denial, and it's too late, anyway. He has two years until the midterms.

Yes, but I will not fault him for not being as cynical as my old behind. It took me a while to get this crotchety.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

With enough force, any part of the constitution can be dismantled or reinterpretated. There is nothing "real" about the constitution, it's as made up as any other part of the government.

Yes, the Constitution can be amended or dismantled through a constitutional amendment, which requires ratification by 38 states, not by executive order.

 

[Yttrium]

What I want to see is what Trump will do once the Supreme Court shoots down his executive order. He won't be happy about that.

 

[durangodawood]

Yes, the Constitution can be amended or dismantled through a constitutional amendment, which requires ratification by 38 states, not by executive order.

Theres another way. It can be ignored by the executive and judicial branches.

One down. One to go.

 

[RileyG]

Bro, trust me. Trump is a good guy. He'll never do something bad.

So naive. It will take a lot more actions of Trump to crack that shell of denial, and it's too late, anyway. He has two years until the midterms.

I’m naive because I don’t believe everything the left MSM media says about Trump?

lol. Sure.

They only want to create fear and division.

SMH

 

[RileyG]

It has happened before. Within the last century. Your assurances ring somewhat hollow.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/5325400?storyId=5325400

Nothing new under the sun

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I thinkbthere is a case to be made that if parents are here illegally and citizens of another country that the child shouldn't be a US citizen by virtue of being born here.

Perhaps. But, in a legal sense, this is not currently true. If you wish to change that, you'll need another constitutional amendment.

The 14th Ammendment was created because slaves had no citizenship and the their children could be be refused citizenship making them children without a state. They would have no citizen rights anywhere. It was created to give them the right of citizenship. If one looks at the reasons for the Ammendment it's application for the time I think there's an argument to be made against illegals coming to give their babies citizenship.

That may have been the original intent, but further application has already been tested before the Supreme Court all the way back in 1898 in US v Wong Kim Ark. I don't see anything in that decision that would preclude it from applying to the current issue.

 

[Nithavela]

I’m naive because I don’t believe everything the left MSM media says about Trump?

No, you appear naive because you not only believe everything Trump tells you, but even disbelieve the things he says when they are too uncomfortable.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Yes, you have stated that numerous times.

We disagree

Your fictional example does not circumvent law.

which is fine to disagree we will see how this turns out.

 

[BBAS 64]

Actions are illegal. People are children of God.

Good day,

Just to be clear...

All people are God's creation
God adopts His own children, if he does not adopt you you are not His child.
People do illegal things and in doing so are correctly classified as criminals.

In Him

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

Good day,

Given the historical question of why does the amendment exist

Being that the correct historical context post slavery to over turn explicitly "dread Scott" . The Supreme court will need to interpret it in a whole other context. There is no doubt what the intention of the article as written. I would say it is sadly misunderstood and the Supreme Court will bring clarity and historical prospective to it's lawful application.

Consider:

Consider: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20150429/103384/HHRG-114-JU01-Wstate-GragliaL-20150429.pdf


In Him,

Bill

 

[RileyG]

No, you appear naive because you not only believe everything Trump tells you, but even disbelieve the things he says when they are too uncomfortable.

Who said I believe everything Trump says? Now you’re just assuming.

 

[Pommer]

Yes, but I will not fault him for not being as cynical as my old behind. It took me a while to get this crotchety.

Learn to embrace one’s inner curmudgeon!

 

[Bradskii]

We lived in Las Cruces for several years during Trump I while my wife was a late blooming grad student at NMSU. The biggest issue we had with El Paso was that it was always such a traffic jam. Every morning 10,000 people drive or bus across the border--Mexican Nationals and US citizens who live in Ciudad Juarez and work in El Paso and Mexican Nationals and US Citizens who live in El Paso and work in Ciudad Juarez. Every evening they go back the other way. Yes, there are problems--you just watch yourself, like any big city these days.

Stayed at the Lundeen Inn of the Arts on Alemda.