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Trump Asks That Two Enemies Not Be Allowed Into Israel

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by mark46, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    These two are strongly anti-Israel and back boycotts of Israel. They wanted to go there to disrupt 3 weeks before the Israeli election. Democrats talk about a member of Congress having a right to enter Israel merely because they are members of Congress, and that Israel had no right to decide who enters their country.

    Some Republicans and Democrats oppose Trump's position and opposes the head of israel. Trump is being successful in splitting Democrats and in putting a wedge between Israel and some Democrats. Sanders just said that perhaps we should stop all aid to Israel.

    Personally, I think that Trump's actions will help him and not harm him. After all, he will not be opposed by Republicans. 90% back Trump and will support him almost whatever he does.
     
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  2. lasthero

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    How are you assessing that was their purpose? What've they said to lead to that?

    All aid? Where did he say that?

    I think you mean that as a good thing, but I really don't see it that way.
     
  3. iluvatar5150

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    Gotta love it when a US President sandbags US Representatives to a foreign power.

    Remember how mad people got when The Dixie Chicks criticized W in England?
     
  4. GoldenBoy89

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    Do you mean enemies of Trump or enemies of Israel?
     
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  5. Tanj

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    A whole lot of assertions with absolutely no evidence. Could we perhaps start with

    "Democrats talk about a member of Congress having a right to enter Israel merely because they are members of Congress, and that Israel had no right to decide who enters their country."

    Yeah, some evidence for that bit would be peachy.
     
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  6. Hazelelponi

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    This is the 5th (or possibly 6th) thread on this topic, the third in this forum alone..

    it's really a bit of overkill at this point I would imagine..
     
  7. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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  8. lasthero

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    Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see Sanders saying we should cut all money to Israel in the link you provided.
     
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  9. mark46

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    Perhaps they were just taking a vacation visit 3 weeks before the Israeli election, where they strongly oppose the government.

    BTW, as an aside, there were many issues with them coming to Israel. They requested entry NOT into israel but into Palestine. I'm not sure they even recognize the Israeli government. They would need to have been under army escort to the Muslim holy sites. There was an issue of whether this would be viewed as tacit acceptance of the permanent reality of Palestinian control.

    In any case, why doesn't a country have a right to exclude who they want, especially right before an election, and especially if the president of their country supports that position?

     
  10. mark46

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    Strange things happen on the internet. I fixed the citation. There are many more if you google.

     
  11. lasthero

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    I think I see the problem.

    First off, you said he 'just said' that. He did not 'just say' that. In fact, you're referring to an interview from several weeks ago, which has nothing to do with the current situation.

    Second, he didn't flat out say that we should stop sending money to Israel, he said that doing so was a potential option in negotiations with them. I'm not a foreign policy expert, but I assume that's about the way it works with any country we give money to. Why would it work differently with Israel?
     
  12. wing2000

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    A country has a right to refuse anyone. In this case, they blocked elected officials from the very body that allocates Israel billions of dollars in foreign aid - every year. Is that really a wise move the for the long term interest of Israel?
     
  13. Aryeh Jay

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    Is there a difference?
     
  14. KCfromNC

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    If republicans really cared about interference they'd pass the election security bills sent to the Senate. This is just grandstanding.
     
  15. mark46

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    Sanders has voiced his policy of wanting to threaten Israel's aid and partnership for many years. I mean what I said. I had watched an interview with Sanders a few minutes before where he voiced the threat yet again. He said that if Israel wants to keep out 2 House members, perhaps we shot consider not giving them aid. I believe that the left has opposed the Israeli government and it polices for decades.

     
  16. mark46

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    Let's re-state. Is it a good idea to admit those who oppose your election (and would likely voice those views) three weeks before your election, when the president of their countries suggests that you should not? Trump is the president for the next year and a half. He has done a lot for Israel including recognizing its capital. So, no I don't think that it would have been a good idea to admit political enemies and enemies of the US president 3 weeks before the election.

    Yes,should they win in the election, the current government of Israel would have issues and problems with a left wing Democratic president. But, that was always to be the case. Under a left wing administration, the US relationship with Israel would deteriorate greatly.

     
  17. mark46

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    Is there really a bill before the Senate to help prevent US congress folk from interfering with an Israeli election?

     
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    Yes, Trump's enemies are anyone, that's liberal , that say something Trump doesn't like. I expect different from an intelligent country, That I assumed Israel was. But maybe Israel's not, that that's why they cant compromise with Palestine.
     
  19. mark46

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    Folks strongly disagreed with me.

    Now, we have more information. The congresswoman first asked for permission to come to Palestine; she couldn't even say "Israel". It was clear to me that she wanted to speak out against the government during their election, and also hoped to rally those with her anti-government views. After ll, she certainly could have asked to visit AFTER the election.

    Israel's 2017 law allows the government to prohibit entry for those who support the boycott (and yes, oppose the government). The government prohibited entry, with Trump trying to influence the decision.

    AND THEN
    The congresswoman petitioned the Israeli government to make a humanitarian exception, and allow her to visit her aging grandmother. The government agreed, with the requirement that she not speak while she was there, certainly not a big deal since she could voice her opposition as much as she wanted as soon as she left. OF COURSE, the congresswoman now refuses to come. She has zero interest in coming to Israel if she couldn't make disruptive speeches support the boycott movement, and the opposition to the current government.
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    Do you all still think that she was on a vacation to visit her grandmother?

     
  20. mark46

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    hmm

    Where is this country of Palestine that Israel won't compromise with? The Palestinians have had a couple of opportunities to have an independent county. They have refused.

    Do you mean the fact that Israel is unable to compromise with Hamas and The East Bank, while they are sending missiles to Israel? Do you mean negotiating with Arabs who live in Israel who votes are part of the government? Or are you discussion negotiating with West Bank leaders who cannot make a deal because the leadership would be assassinated by Hamas for making a separate peace?

     
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