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Trump’s Disgraceful Endgame

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by jayem, Nov 30, 2020.

  1. jayem

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    From the National Review. Which is the most venerable conservative news magazine in the country. Founded by Wm. F. Buckley:

    "Almost nothing that the Trump team has alleged has withstood the slightest scrutiny. In particular, it’s hard to find much that is remotely true in the president’s Twitter feed these days. It is full of already-debunked claims and crackpot conspiracy theories about Dominion voting systems. Over the weekend, he repeated the charge that 1.8 million mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania were mailed out, yet 2.6 million were ultimately tallied. In a rather elementary error, this compares the number of mail-ballots requested in the primary to the number of ballots counted in the general. A straight apples-to-apples comparison finds that 1.8 million mail-in ballots were requested in the primary and 1.5 million returned, while 3.1 million ballots were requested in the general and 2.6 million returned.

    Flawed and dishonest assertions like this pollute the public discourse and mislead good people who make the mistake of believing things said by the President of the United States."

    Trump Election Fraud Allegations Disgraceful Endgame to 2020 Reelection Effort | National Review
     
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  2. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Blade's post was a little heavier on technical detail, which I found made it a little more convincing.
     
  3. Hans Blaster

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    That post is not relevant to the NR article's discussion of the "confusion" of primary and general election ballot request and ballot utilization totals.

    "Blade"s post is from a repeatedly debunked "study" that fails to understand how votes are reported in large groups usually representing full groups of a particular vote total. One of the "anomalous" vote dumps in that article is literally all mail-in/absentee ballots for the whole city of Milwaukee. Not surprisingly that "dump" leaned heavy to the Democratic candidates.
     
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    Other areas dumped large amounts of ballots. The problem is the anomaly between the Biden/Trump totals. Those spikes are not attributed to normal division of vote totals in any other area of the country.

    The National Review is the Jeb Bush wing of the Party. Never Trump. Just politics.
     
  5. Hans Blaster

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    But they are. There is nothing unusual about those large reportings of ballots. This is one of the biggest "nothing burgers" in the whole "conspiracy". It isn't odd at all and thinking it is nefarious is only possible through ignorance of vote counting procedures.
     
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  6. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Actually, it looks like the study debunked you. I would encourage everyone to read it and see why you're wrong.
     
  7. Hans Blaster

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    The four mystery dumps late on election night. That notion? The one that fool "Dr" Rand Paul was going on about to day on the twitter machine? Guess again.
     
  8. nonaeroterraqueous

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    You didn't read it, apparently. Stop opining on things you don't understand.
     
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  9. Pommer

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    The internet depends on such.
     
  10. Hans Blaster

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    I read quite a bit of it this time and more of it previously. The principle involved here is "GIGO". Garbage In. Garbage Out.

    The garbage in here is a complete failure (or willful ignorance) on behalf of the "analyst" to understand the nature of vote reporting and the laws and policies related to said reporting. This includes intentional policies by the Legislatures of several states to prevent mail-in/absentee ballots from being counted before election day, thus insuring that they would be process in large batches *after* other votes were counted.
     
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  11. Sparagmos

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    I didn’t read the whole article, but couldn’t t find any reference to mail in voting, which is a huge factor and the reason we saw late spikes for Biden. Trump told his followers not to vote by mail, and they didn’t.
     
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  12. Albion

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    It once was that. But no more.

    Today, NR is a favorite of the tiny crop of "NeverTrumpers" who spend all their time campaigning for the Democrats. And that's about all.
     
  13. Pommer

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    No, the “Never-Trumpers” are specifically against Donald J Trump. They’re still conservatives, (maybe the only genuine conservatives left?), still mostly GOP, near as I can tell.
    Besides the down-ticket races went swell except for Georgia.
     
  14. Albion

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    Well, there are all kinds of people claiming to be conservatives and there is certainly room for range of people.

    However, the decline of National Review is common knowledge and that decline occurred mainly because the editors wanted the magazine to remain the mouthpiece of a kind of conservatism that intended to be seen as intellectual but at the cost of not being practical and also as the voice of elitists rather than ordinary people.

    In short, time passed NR by along with its importance everywhere but on a magazine rack in a university library. If you go to a bookstore, you'll find the usual four copies there, and they are still there when next month's edition arrives.
     
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  15. Hans Blaster

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    Even more specifically (as indicated by their name) the "never-Trumpers" were conservatives who opposed the nomination and election of Trump dating back to 2015 when he started to run for President. There was one conservative magazine (the one Bill Kristol edited) that folded because it lost subscribers due to a never-Trump stance. I'm doubtful that the NR was fully never-Trump, but I don't read it.
     
  16. variant

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    You're entirely right in the idea that if you want to be seen as having intellectual integrity you have to refrain from being a firehose of propaganda and obvious lies.

    NR is drawing the line at the obvious lies being told regularly by the president and other right wing sources.
     
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  17. Albion

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    That's not even close to the explanation about why National Review lost out.
     
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    It's a good reason why you're expressing your irritation with them now.

    It's telling that Trump style politics can't take criticism from any who might offer it, no matter how obvious it is that no one should stand up for or take part in spreading ham fisted paper thin lies.
     
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  19. essentialsaltes

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    Thank heavens Trump has provided a conservatism that is non-intellectual and gauche -- neither elite nor of the people.

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. Albion

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    That's wrong. Any irritation on my part owes to the posts that are trying to make out that NR is something that it isn't. National Review itself is now so insignificant that it could hardly be the cause of any serious irritation. ;)
     
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