Well my, my, I am told not to tell lilmiss how to pray but yet both you and lilmiss have told this preacher, that neither of you know, how he should have prayed. sir, obviously you have not read all of my post. God's grace that you so highly speak of, goes even beyond your expectation. and if one of God's children is about to take that one step away from God, that one step of never return, then God will allow them to be taken out, before they can take that one step, now That is Grace!! that their soul might be saved.now you may not be able to accept this, because maybe you believe someone can away from the Grace of God and become unsaved, but this scripture says different and I have shown it several times but Because I am commanded to love you and not judge I will post it again:
1 Corinthians 5:1-5
5 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
KJV
you want to quote old testament about the grace, let's talk about the Grace of God that would have someone stoned to death, that sin would not destory the whole tribe. let's talk about the two that was caught in fornification under Moses and was stoned to death, if we are going to preach Grace. let's get the whole picture/ the whole truth. God's grace goes beyond this life ( which is just a vapor that appeareth for a while then vanishes )
in the old testament they were told not to take any spoil after a battle . and one man took some silver and gold, and God revealed it to Joshua . so that this sin would not effect to whole tribe, and that man and His family was burned and stoned.
Joshua 7:24-26
24 And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
25 And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the Lord shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.
26 And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day.
KJV
you and lilmiss don't know what this preacher has been though with his sons yet you judge. you have not heard his story from this man, yet you judge, lilmiss told that she prayed for 30 years and still no answer, I offered my knowledge of praying to help, not to tear down, and gave scriptures that I have based that knowledge on , not my opinion!! . how do you know that this man's sons have not tried to kill themselves several times already, how do either of you know if these two sons have not come close to overdosing on drugs several times already, you DON'T Know that is my whole point. God will apply Grace and that grace will allow some to die before He will allow them to burn, if they are one of His. our flesh is not what Jesus Bleed and died for. for it too will pass away. old things pass away and all things become new. we will be changes in the twinkling of the eye. could either of you at least talk to this preacher before you offer judgement, and make him of some evil nature???????
