Troubling bible verses

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That is not what 1.3 billion Papal Catholics and 275 million Eastern Orthodox Catholics and 85 million Oriental Orthodox Christians Believe. Mary does not have Original Sin unlike the rest of humanity. She was a perfect feminine being. Only a masculine being like Christ could carry the cross.
You can believe any fallacy you choose to believe but you will not find ANY scripture that supports that idea -ONLY from a man made created interpretation

The bible is very clear in very literal words

Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


there are several more scriptures that say the same

You can believe a bunch of people who have been deceived....or you can believe GOD's Word

if 2 billion Papal Catholics believed that jumping off a roof enables you to fly would you jump off a roof expecting to fly?
You will not find any scripture in Gods word that says Mary had no sin


23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
 
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Yes and no, I've had issues. Maybe I should bring it up again. Moses was not perfect. Neither was David or Solomon or Job. Jesus and Mary have always been perfect. Jesus is the creator and Mary is the Queen of Heaven. As a Catholic, I believe Mary was the only other person in history to have lived a sinless life on earth. But, Mary being a feminine being could not bear the full burden of sin unlike her son who could and did.

Please address your issues with your priest or a deacon face to face again.
 
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Do you find the bible helpful? There are certain things about the bible I have a tough time with, take for example the following verses. Moses speaks to his troops after a battle in which they won, " Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31:17-18. I'm very troubled by this verse. As it would mean Moses raped little girls and killed a bunch of little boys.

I have issue with another verse directly from the mouth of God(Yahweh). When Yahweh is commanding Moses to write his words, he says the following, " Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod they must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." -Exodus 21:20-21. Clearly, Yahweh, the one who brought the Israelites out of slavery doesn't mind them being slave masters themselves.

Jesus supports Mosaic Law. Jesus was obsessed with helping Jewish prostitutes when he could have helped starving non-Jews in Egypt. Jesus says, " I was sent only to help God's lost sheep--the people of Israel.' -Matthew 19:24. I think I may have lost my soul. The Jews are only 14 million people and they denied him. Jesus loved God more than he loved Man. As evidenced when he called Peter by Satan for only caring for Jesus' well-being. Apparently, Man is not meant to an equal to Yahweh. Jews can have slaves, they are called the Jesus-Gentile(Christian). I'm Catholic, but I'm having a hard time.

If this gets deleted I'll post it in the morality section. I am a Christian. I'm just having a rough time understanding the evil of men and God. It does concern scripture which is why I posted here.

They had bad DNA because they were raped by Angels so Israel had to clean that mess up leftover after flood . Also God is going to rise them from the dead in his kingdom anyways so it's not like that's end .

About that Exodus thing slavery never ended you are still slave nowdays ,try not pay your taxes and police will rip apart your doors and send you to jail . Most people pay up to 50-70% in hidden taxes anyways . There are masters and slaves still in this world . If master was whipping his slave for fun then he'd end up like that guy from story that Jesus said about Lazarus and rich man . If you have authority over somebody you are responsible for bad things aswell .

Jesus was send to Israel only but he was talking with Gentiles too , remember woman at well ? Or gentile Roman soldier ? Also most prostitutes were gentiles not Jewish women .
 
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Yahweh sounds like an angry God, I wouldn't want to mess with him. I certainly don't understand him. How about you?

Sorry I guess I was being arrogant. But, I don't understand God at all and I am deathly afraid of him.

Have you talked to your priest or a priest about this?

Yes and no, I've had issues.
While you are afraid of God, you can misunderstand Him. Yes, there is reason to be afraid, if someone is not with God. But God wants us to change out of that and trust Him.

Jesus suffered and died like He did, so we would not suffer the wrath of God. We can consider how much Jesus suffered, and how He died. He knows what hell is like, and He found it worthwhile to suffer that much, in order to keep us from going there.

You can make an issue about God ordering the death of children, but Jesus has suffered much more than any of those children did . . . I would say . . . by the way. And there is all that God knows, that we don't. One thing I just thought of is how humans can make idols of children; God doesn't. And this life, compared to God, is how much? Without Jesus, how much is a life? Yes, there is the potential of a human life, but without Jesus there is the horribleness of Satan's evil spirit > "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2).

But I am trusting you not to misunderstand this. God does not want us to take people's lives . . . even if they are evil > please see Ezekiel 33:11. Jesus came and suffered like He did and died like He did, so any and all evil people might be saved. But certainly He did not come to keep our lives going the way they are!!

Many humans are in living death, in their selfish loving (Proverbs 13:15). They make children and spouses and friends love idols > Matthew 5:46 < and so they are in deep ruin, not being able to personally share with God in love while sharing as His family with all of Jesus Christ's brothers and sisters.

And Jesus on the cross died with hope for any evil person, at all. So, God's love has us alive in hope for any evil person, at all. This is included in sharing with Jesus our Groom in His love . . . more and more as we grow in this.

So, yes you might have reason to be afraid of God; but He does not want you to keep on having that "reason" > 1 Jon 4:17-18. Jesus has hope for any person, at all, no matter how hard and horrible your problem is >

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.'" (Matthew 11:28-30)

One time, certain people refused Jesus, and His disciples asked Him if they should call down fire from heaven upon those people. Jesus said they were being messed-with by an evil spirit, I understand. And then He said He did not come to destroy people's lives, but to save > Luke 9:51-56.

So, yes there are times when it has fitted with God's overall plan and purpose, that even the unborn have died or been killed, but this does not mean that God wants us to be glad that evil people or people conceived in lust and a selfish and idolatrous spirit have died. But we are specialists in love and mercy and compassion and forgiveness, like Jesus on the cross >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, you can become a person who is helping people to have life of love. Trust in Jesus for forgiveness and reconciliation with God, and learn with Jesus and find all He desires to share with us as His family.

God bless you :)
Bill
 
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still it can help a lot to rememer addtionally that children who die are in some partial or large innocence in relation to Romans ch 2, v6-16, 4:15, 5:13, and from Paul we can then see from these that they will generally gain Life eternal or some significant mercy from God. (even before one considers such as 1 Pet 3:18-20).
God has mercy on whom He has mercy (Romans 9:15), no matter what is really true about a child or an unborn person. But it does say that one who does not have the Holy Spirit is not His > Romans 8:9.
 
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Sorry I guess I was being arrogant. But, I don't understand God at all and I am deathly afraid of him.

Hello CC - Welcome to CF.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Proverbs 9:10
So that's good. But fear of The Lord is only the beginning.
Perfect love casts out fear. But remember - It is what God is that defines what love is. It is not men's definitions of love that define what God is.
God's word is many things - life, light, nourishment, a warning, a sword - sometimes it's tough chewing.
But it is God's word and the Holy Spirit gives understanding according to our needs, capabilities and humility.
Luke 24:25-27 + 44, 45.

1 John 4
12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.

Go well
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You can believe any fallacy you choose to believe but you will not find ANY scripture that supports that idea -ONLY from a man made created interpretation

The bible is very clear in very literal words

Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


there are several more scriptures that say the same

You can believe a bunch of people who have been deceived....or you can believe GOD's Word

if 2 billion Papal Catholics believed that jumping off a roof enables you to fly would you jump off a roof expecting to fly?
You will not find any scripture in Gods word that says Mary had no sin


23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
You can believe any fallacy you choose to believe but you will not find ANY scripture that supports that idea -ONLY from a man made created interpretation

The bible is very clear in very literal words

Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


there are several more scriptures that say the same

You can believe a bunch of people who have been deceived....or you can believe GOD's Word

if 2 billion Papal Catholics believed that jumping off a roof enables you to fly would you jump off a roof expecting to fly?
You will not find any scripture in Gods word that says Mary had no sin


23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
 
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Mary did not commit the sin of fornication when she became pregnant before being married , that does NOT mean she has no sin and/or has no sins to repent of - scripture does not give an account of every minute of Mary's life or every thought that she ever had .. if you study Gods Word and learn that the reason Jesus came to suffer on the cross is because of the result of Adam and Eve sins that caused God to kick them out of the Garden resulting the genetic code to be with sin and carried through all on mankind even to today . sin is actually more than just an act of committing sinful acts.

Read and learn why God did not want them in the Garden with the Tree of life any longer , the sins of Adam and Eve are the reason Jesus had to become the sacrificial lamb and die for us
- because no human after Adam/Eve has ever been born that had no sin because for humankind to be eligible to be in the presence of God again is for the sins to be removed and atoned for us and that requires a perfect sinless person to be sacrificed to pay the ages of sin for all of mankind -- Jesus IS our redeemer for he died for ALL mankind's sins
As Gods Word points out this FACT multiple times

Mark7:.13
13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
Matt
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.


9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

You can believe any fallacy you want to but be mindful if you can't find God saying it , it matters not what any man says or how many says it
 
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Hello CC - Welcome to CF.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Proverbs 9:10
So that's good. But fear of The Lord is only the beginning.
Perfect love casts out fear. But remember - It is what God is that defines what love is. It is not men's definitions of love that define what God is.
God's word is many things - life, light, nourishment, a warning, a sword - sometimes it's tough chewing.
But it is God's word and the Holy Spirit gives understanding according to our needs, capabilities and humility.
Luke 24:25-27 + 44, 45.

1 John 4
12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.

Go well
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Great verses there! Philippians is a favorite Epistle (if I can have 'favorite' parts of Scripture).
 
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Honestly every Christian struggles with this stuff, unless they simply never read or think about those passages.

Honestly I view such Old Testament accounts of God 'doing' or 'commanding' such troubling things in less of a literal light. Rather I search for the prophetic foreshadowings to Jesus, and take His accounts with the highest priority. I am a Christian after all and not a Jew.

That doesn't mean that I disregard the OT as not being the Word of God. Far from it. I just find nothing in the Bible itself that tells me it's not okay to interpret the OT in a different way. The only place I have heard that is from religious leaders taking verses out of context to scare us into reading the Bible the way they want us to. Keep that in mind.

The Church is not God. The Bible is not God. ONLY God (Father YHWH Elohim, Son Yeshua Jesus, and Holy Spirit) is God.

And I can tell you that you have nothing to fear from Jesus. He loves you so.
 
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God is perfectly JUST. He pours out His righteous wrath on all, somtimes NATIONS, which are wicked and reject Him.

Do not judge God based on Man's puny moral and ethical standards.
 
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