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Featured Troubling Bible passages on abortion

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by mcarans, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Daniel9v9

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    Scripture doesn’t divide laws into neat categories by names, but they do undoubtedly fall into different categories, as any studious reader can readily find. You can think of it in very simple terms as:
    1. Things required of the Levitical priesthood and the Israeli community such as sacrifices, the remembrance of particular rites and holidays etc. These ceremonial works all foreshadowed Christ.

    2. Things required of the Israeli community. These ensured that Israel was holy, or set apart for the Lord, for the ultimate purpose of bringing forth salvation to the whole world. God declared and made a promise to Abraham that through his offspring (Christ) all nations will be blessed. (Salvation through Christ, the forgiveness of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit, with the right to become children of God!)

    3. Eternal moral laws, namely, that through all things we are to love, trust and fear God with all our hearts, and likewise to love our neighbours as ourselves.

    The above distinctions are useful, but many laws are closely related and many overlap. Take murder, for example. Murder falls under all categories in different senses:
    1. Only the prescribed sacrifices instituted by God was allowed. Every other sacrifice, or a sacrifice done in a wrong way or with a wrong motive was evil. Moreso the sacrifice of human life, which is strictly forbidden.

    2. Murder was punishable by death in the ancient Israeli community on account of the offence of killing the members who carries God’s Law and would bring about the Saviour, Christ.

    3. Morally, murder is strictly forbidden as it both shows contempt for God’s creation and moreover the image of God, of which man is created in. Besides this, it is (obviously) contempt and harm of our neighbour.

    In this way, we can see that the breaking of a seemingly single law actually contains several different levels of evil. And these are just the negative aspects, not to mention the positive: Not only are we not to murder, harm nor hate our neighbour, but positively to love, care for, serve and help in all good things. To fail on these accounts is also sin.

    Abortion is closely related to the above. Though the punishment of people as demanded by God has ceased (stoning etc) - again, this punishment was due to the promise of the coming Christ - the moral law still remains, for to terminate life that God knits together in His own image, is rebellion towards God and contempt and harm of our fellow man. On this point, age is of no relevance.

    As Christians, it’s our duty to care for the weak and oppressed. In the abortion debate, many would consider this to be the mother. It’s become popular opinion. However, there is another, far weaker party, with everything to lose, and that is the child. This, in addition to the things mentioned above, namely that we are to love God and all of His creation, including people, is the reason why we can confidently speak up for the life of the child.
     
  2. Kenny'sID

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    The flood did not discriminate anymore than God picked out babies, born or unborn from Sodom and Gomorrah before he destroyed it.

    When he wants to get rid of a people, he does it, and I see absolutely no bias against the fetus in particular, in any of those cases.
     
  3. Apologetic_Warrior

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    Something that should be noted is the role of God in these. IOW, abortion clinic doctors are not receiving commands from God to abort babies. I think that is relevant to the above passages. A couple of other things worth noting, these people were declared enemies of God by God. Revelation from God came differently in Old Testament times. God spoke verbally to select people. Finally these verses clearly point to the anger of God, the wrath of God, and He used His people to inflict it upon His enemies. None of the verses above support modern abortion, to use them in that manner is to rip them out of context and read modern abortion into the text, but I hope brothers and sisters in Christ can see through the postmodern eisegesis isolating texts from the context, ignoring the Creator - creation distinction, and making misapplications in the process. Seriously, using the same logic it appears Christians need to take up the sword again and do it crusade style again against the enemies of Christianity...not. That is how poor the reasoning is behind the underneath assumptions.
     
  4. mcarans

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    So if Kim Jong Un executes an American, that's not murder because it's legal in North Korea?
     
  5. mcarans

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    How would you respond to a Christian who intends to do exactly as you describe on the grounds that he or she is following the example God has given him or her in those passages?
     
  6. 1213

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    If it is legal in North Korea, then it is not murder in North Korean system. However, it still can be wrong in God’s eyes.
     
  7. Apologetic_Warrior

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    I would point them to the teachings of Christ, to turn the other cheek, to put away the sword, that those who live by the sword die by the sword. I would point them to the teachings of Paul, that we are not under law but grace. I might point out the situation today, and ask if the crusades accomplished the intended goal, which they did not, and the futility of such a mission. Finally I might encourage them to take the Gospel to world, if they are bent on trying to change the world for Christ.
     
  8. Blade

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    Forgive me.. but I SO agree and saw this from the start "Context is everything"
     
  9. sparow

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    When God aborts it is a punishment and judgement; When man aborts the sin is fornication not murder.
     
  10. CGB3928

    CGB3928 New Member

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    God can prevent anything. As a human those references in the bible to the death of infants and babies are atrocious to you. But you have no idea what those unborn infants would have grown up to be that may have interfered with God's sovereign plan. God allowed War to kill the pregnant mother thus killing the fetus. Its hard to argue with Omniscient. That's why Abortion is playing God and it's wrong. Man isn't Omniscient.
     
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