Trinity discussion with St Worm2

[miknik5]

You did not ask me how many "Holy Spirits" there are. You said, "Are there two spirits in Heaven: the FATHER's and the SON's?"

And I was not referring to a rock with seven eyes, but to the "seven Spirits of God" in Revelation 3:1 and 4:5.

I had already said it is through JESUS we have access to THE FATHER.

BY ONE SPIRIT.

ONE


And HE and THE FATHER are ONE.

 

[gadar perets]

I had already said it is through JESUS we have access to THE FATHER.

BY ONE SPIRIT.

ONE


And HE and THE FATHER are ONE.

miknik5, Please make a clear, one sentence declaration of what you want me to learn by John 10:30. And please don't answer by saying, "That the Father and Son are one." Explain the oneness as I have done for you.

 

[miknik5]

And THE WORD was made flesh, sir.

What is it you want me to explain?

In the transfiguration, what did Peter, James and John...see?

When Moses went up the Mountain, he had to shield his face, and his flesh was affected by THE GLORY.

CHRIST, is THE GLORY of GOD...the VISIBLE image of THE FATHER.

GOD 'enfleshed" HIS WORD...
CHRIST came into the world, the GLORY covered over in our (fleshly) covering.
For had HE come to us in HIS FULL and HOLY GLORY, all would have perished.


And THE WORD was made flesh and "dwelt" amongst us.

Can't you understand?
And a simple english word such as "dwelt" implies something like its own yet doesn't quite belong...

Either it is superior or inferior to its kind.


What do you think?

 

[gadar perets]

And THE WORD was made flesh, sir.

What is it you want me to explain?

In the transfiguration, what did Peter, James and John...see?

When Moses went up the Mountain, he had to shield his face, and his flesh was affected by THE GLORY.

CHRIST, is THE GLORY of GOD...the VISIBLE image of THE FATHER.

GOD 'enfleshed" HIS WORD...
CHRIST came into the world, the GLORY covered over in our covering.
For had HE come to us in HIS FULL and HOLY GLORY, all would have perished.

I didn't think you could answer my simple question. There is no use in us discussing anything since you are all over the place jumping from one issue to another.

 

[miknik5]

In John 10:30, hear JESUS' words.

HE says,
Phillip?
How long have I been with you, and you don't know ME?


What do you hear in HIS words but exasperation...

Philip I have been with you this long and you don't know ME?


In response to Philip's question?

Show us THE FATHER and it will suffice?

Philip, I have been with you this long and you don't know ME?
Whoever has seen ME has seen THE FATHER,

And how do you say show us the FATHER?

 

[miknik5]

I didn't think you could answer my simple question. There is no use in us discussing anything since you are all over the place jumping from one issue to another.

Okay
The issue is THE FATHER and THE SON are ONE

I haven't jumped from one issue to another but have tried to explain to you the ONE issue...

We do not agree.
THE FATHER and THE SON are ONE.
And it is only through JESUS we have access to THE FATHER by ONE SPIRIT.

If you think all could just come up into the HOLY GLORY of GOD...uncovered...well then you do not even remember what was said throughout THE OT...which led to this fulfillment of GOD's PROMISES found IN CHRIST JESUS alone...

 

[miknik5]

Revelation 5 sir.

Do you believe that a lamb looking slain though lives is literally before the throne in Heaven?
Do you think that anyone can open the TRUE MATRIX (between heaven and earth) but GOD

What was the command of every firstborn son which opened the matrix, sir?

Don't you believe that all along GOD was pointing to HIS SON...who would come in our likeness so that through HIM we might be made into THE LIKENESS of THE FATHER in THE SON, who alone will present back to THE FATHER, HIS BRIDE...(which is made up of both male and female children) reborn of THE LIFE-GIVING/QUICKENING SPIRIT of CHRIST?

How is THE SON separate from THE FATHER?
How is THE FATHER and THE SON not ONE?

 

[miknik5]

Goodbye Gadar,

We do not agree.

 

[gadar perets]

Goodbye Gadar,

We do not agree.

Goodbye.

 

[Dartman]

I believe HE and THE FATHER are ONE


Just as HE said

If this were true, then you would believe Jesus and his Father/God are one, JUST LIKE Jesus said in John 17:20-22..... OR, just like Jesus said in
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

 

[miknik5]

If this were true, then you would believe Jesus and his Father/God are one, JUST LIKE Jesus said in John 17:20-22..... OR, just like Jesus said in
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Not sure I'm obligated to respond to you since I am still waiting for a response from you regarding how many holy Spirits there are in heaven

 

[klutedavid]

Goodbye.

Hello Gadar Perets.

Do you believe Jesus came from heaven, then clothed Himself with human flesh, to effectively become the image of God in human form?

 

[Dartman]

Not sure I'm obligated to respond to you since I am still waiting for a response from you regarding how many holy Spirits there are in heaven

There is only one spirit of God.

God offers His spirit to His children.

Jesus has subjected his own spirit to his God's spirit.

I have subjected my spirit to my God's spirit.

 

[miknik5]

There is only one spirit of God.

God offers His spirit to His children.

Jesus has subjected his own spirit to his God's spirit.

I have subjected my spirit to my God's spirit.

So if I am baptized into you, quickened by your life giving spirit and believe in and follow you I have life and you will raise me up on the last day

 

[gadar perets]

Hello Gadar Perets.

Do you believe Jesus came from heaven, then clothed Himself with human flesh, to effectively become the image of God in human form?

He had his origin in heaven because that is where his Father was when he was conceived. He existed in the mind of YHWH and was then spoken into existence in Mary's womb. He did not clothe himself. YHWH fertilized Mary's egg with the exact DNA necessary to create a human male child. Once conceived, he grew as any normal child in a womb would.

 

[miknik5]

He had his origin in heaven because that is where his Father was when he was conceived. He existed in the mind of YHWH and was then spoken into existence in Mary's womb. He did not clothe himself. YHWH fertilized Mary's egg with the exact DNA necessary to create a human male child. Once conceived, he grew as any normal child in a womb would.

So was it according to his flesh that he was considered the son of God

 

[gadar perets]

So was it according to his flesh that he was considered the son of God

I knew you couldn't resist staying away from me for too long!

Yeshua existed as the Son in YHWH's plan of salvation (in YHWH's mind). When the plan came to fruition, Yeshua became the literal Son of YHWH in the flesh (Luke 1:35). When Yeshua was resurrected from the dead, he became the literal Son of YHWH in the Spirit ( Acts 13:33 ).

 

[Dartman]

There is only one spirit of God.

God offers His spirit to His children.

Jesus has subjected his own spirit to his God's spirit.

I have subjected my spirit to my God's spirit.

So if I am baptized into you, quickened by your life giving spirit and believe in and follow you I have life and you will raise me up on the last day

That's not what I said.

 

[miknik5]

That's not what I said.

Of course not!
You couldn't say it

You didn't come forth from GOD and into the world

You didn't come down from heaven

Which is why you can't say what only THE SON of GOD has all authority to say

 

[Dartman]

Of course not!
You couldn't say it

Of course I could, if it was true.
It's not, and it's not relevant to the discussion.
You only asked the question as a diversion.
You are refusing to actually answer MY questions, and you just keep firing silly questions like this one.

You didn't come forth from GOD and into the world

Of course I did.
Ps 139:13-16 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. 14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. 15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
Now, I certainly have not been promised from the foundations of the earth, by the mouth of all God's holy prophets, like Jesus was. NOR am I anywhere near the Godly man Jesus was, and is! Which is why God anointed Jesus with God's own spirit, without measure, and sent him from Nazareth into the world!
Luke 4:18-21 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

[/quote]You didn't come down from heaven[/quote]
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

Now, quite stalling and address my point;
If this were true, then you would believe Jesus and his Father/God are one, JUST LIKE Jesus said in John 17:20-22..... OR, just like Jesus said in
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.