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Featured Trees falling in the forest

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by HTacianas, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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    If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does the tree fall apart from the will of God?

    If a tree falls on your house and destroys it, does the tree fall apart from the will of God?

    Is it God's will that your house is destroyed?

    "All things are best ascribed to God" - saying of the ancient Essenes
     
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  2. well hey

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    "Gods will" s more about sanctification and thankfulness not a tree falling
     
  3. OldWiseGuy

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  4. RaymondG

    RaymondG Well-Known Member

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    Nothing happens outside of God. And All things work together for the good to them that love the Lord.
     
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  5. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

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    tell that to the tree
     
  6. christine40

    christine40 Well-Known Member

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    neighbor's tree fell on our house (twice)
    both times labelled "act of God" by insurance company
    one time it was remnants of a hurricane that came through

    even though it was neighbor's trees, OUR insurance paid since trees landed on our house
    very, very stressful getting all repairs done
     
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  7. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of His Creation! Supporter

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    When we talk about normal events of nature that aren't affecting people...this involves guessing, because where we definitely know God is in control of what matters, we are nowhere told I'm aware of that He refuses to let nature, the physics, which He created normally operate for less important things that do not affect us.

    Nature is His creation.

    Even if He intervenes millions of times per day for us to alter what would have happened naturally. (Because of our prayers)

    But we do know: "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.". (Rom 8:28)

    But...nature is good. (Genesis chapter 1)

    And it is His.
     
  8. christine40

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    thankful we weren't home at the time as both trees were huge and thick
     
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  9. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    Though I believe this with my whole heart, I have to admit that it is hard to find the good in stressful situations. Sometimes it is years before you can see the good, especially when it is concerning things like death or sickness, or divorce.
     
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  10. Halbhh

    Halbhh The wonder and awe of His Creation! Supporter

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    I have had so many clear interventions after prayers. Hallelujah.
     
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  11. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    Amen! :amen:.Hallelujah! :clap:
     
  12. nonaeroterraqueous

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    If a sparrow falls in the forest and no one is around, does it fall apart from God?

    Matthew 10:29

    "Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father."
     
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  13. Dave G.

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    Last winter ( late 2018) a storm took down a section of our fence which we had to repair. The storm was violent with winds and snow. We could say that spiritual matters were in the wind and the fence did not endure, and indeed, maybe there was something in the wind. But the fact of the matter is as we dug out the old posts they had rotted. Granted for pressure treated posts it was kind of premature rot but non the less they were rotted. In a perfect world perhaps there would be no rot but we are told we live in a less than perfect world, even fallen world.

    We have a rotted ok tree that broke off about half way up, it came down parallel to the house but did not hit it. God ? Maybe, I'll just thank Him anyway. If I was younger I maybe would taken the tree down before it broke off. God is good !
     
  14. Halbhh

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    And does that mean...? That God decided it should die, or instead that God is aware of it? Does God have to manage every tree, every organism, or did He make them working on their own, by His design? I think the later, but...I think also it's all more complex even in the physics (how nature works) than we think, also. My guess is He maintains physics itself, but this is guessing. By complex things we don't understand I don't mean only the unanswered questions in physics, such as in quantum mechanics, though that is a good example of complexity we do not really understand, even after 80 years of trying since it was discovered.
     
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  16. com7fy8

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    Possibly, the tree has no say in the matter so the tree has no need to be told anything, but God has all the say :)

    Even if humans are not aware of the tree falling, it can then serve by being mulched to nourish other creatures. Also, sometimes, a human might come and use the wood.
     
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  17. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    Job 1

    20Then Job stood up, tore his robe, and shaved his head. He fell to the ground and worshiped,21saying:

    “Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
    and naked I shall return.
    The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away.
    Blessed be the name of the LORD.”

    22In all this, Job did not sin or charge God with wrongdoing.
     
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    Including childhood cancer and tsunamis?
     
  19. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Usually, it seems to me, people don't want to admit that God is in all-control . . . even of humans; because ones don't want it to be true that they themselves are not really in control.

    But you say, "Does God have to" > if you feel loaded down with too many things to take care of, keeping track of every single tree in a forest might seem too much to handle. Therefore, you might feel it could be too much for God to bother with?

    But God is caring; whatever He does is caring. You, I think, know how while you are doing caring things, it is not a burden, or not as much. God, I think, is a micro-Carer . . . like a micro-manager, except He is caring for every electron flying around a nucleus . . . or through it. And He is fast enough to make it happen and keep track of it all.

    The fact that physical things keep on functioning the way they do, in spite of all the evil, is a direct demonstration which can help us see how stable God is, even while at His high level of function to maintain the universe, and how He is quite capable of taking care of us.

    I understand that there is a reason why people of physics and medical science keep finding out that there is more to try to find out > because God's ways are "past finding out" (Romans 11:33), and these ways are now working in all His creation.

    But even though we can't figure out His ways, these ways are living in His love; as much as we submit to living in God's love, we can benefit from these ways.
     
  20. FireDragon76

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    On the other hand, people may be attracted to this "Omni-God" because they want to be absolved of responsibility by denying their own agency. If so, that would make the theist less virtuous than the atheist.
     
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