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  1. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    The same way alcoholics and drug addicts do.
     
  2. Pommer

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    Those behaviors have been de-stigmatized to a degree, though.
    You’re still on here advocating that the people who have the condition (yet refrain from acting-out) be treated the exact same way as people who have acted out (and likely created a new generation of victims/future offenders).
     
  3. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    I already agreed that they don't need to be arrested for impure thoughts, so that's already treating the differently, but I strongly disagree at sending them any messages to the effect that pedophilia is anything other than wrong. The word "pedophile" has negative connotations for good reason and if someone has those impulses, then they need to know they are wrong and that they need to get help immediately *before* they act on them. We don't need to start calling them "minor attracted people" or any other such fluffy nonsense. We call it what it is.
     
  4. coffee4u

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    My post wasn't about that and nowhere did I mention that. Might want to go back and read my post.

    I very much uphold to the "innocent until proven guilty" principle but apparently the US does not.

    In America someone can be found guilty and convicted of child rape and still people will uphold them as the victim.

    Joseph Rosenbaum, a man who has raped five boys aged between 9-11years old is being upheld as the victim. Stop and let that sink in, a convicted child rapist is being upheld. This is how sick things have become.


    Do you think that's how a civilized country should behave? Upholding child rapists?
    I'm quite sure God is not letting him off so easy.
    Mark 9:42
    “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.


    When a country does not uphold and protect it's weakest members that is when you know it is falling into depravity.


    I did quote that and yes those are Christian standards because isn't that who we are talking about here? People who say they are christian, who say they have sexual feelings towards children, who say they are remaining pure.
    Is this the topic of our conversation or not?

    The rest of what you mention ^ wasn't my post. You wont find anything about governments, police etc in it. I was talking on the personal level.
    You are trying to divert what I was actually taking about over to a different topic.

    My point is I don't believe there is such a thing as a 'Pure- Christian- Finds children sexually attractive' person is in existence.
     
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  5. Strathos

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    I'm not necessarily in favor of not using the word, just perhaps adding a qualifier. I'm just pointing out that it's a reasonable argument to make, and far from the strawman you were suggesting earlier.

    If you have an alcoholic or drug addict who is trying to get help and recover, do you think they should be treated the same as someone who wantonly consumes alcohol and drugs with no regard for the consequences and has no intention of stopping?

    I'm pretty sure the issue there is that he was killed by a vigilante who was acting as judge, jury, and executioner. That's certainly not how the legal system should ever work. Do you think that private citizens should be allowed to go out and execute criminals? It is okay to go around killing people just because they have criminal records, or are currently on bail or out of prison temporarily?

    Saying 'it was wrong to kill this man in these circumstances' isn't the same as saying 'this man is completely innocent of all wrongdoing and should not be punished at all for anything.'

    Those people can be Christians or non-Christians.

    Well if you define 'Pure Christian' as a Christian who never sins or has any kind of temptations or bad thoughts, then you're right, as there is no such thing.
     
  6. bekkilyn

    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    Well there certainly can be a qualifier for someone who has never acted on the impulse. I never argued against that. For example, an alcoholic might say they are "in recovery" or that they have been "sober for 20 years" but they are still alcoholics and even just a small amount is a serious danger to them and that they need to take it seriously.

    If one is going to "own the problem" like they suggest in the 12-step programs, then it needs to be called what it is rather than all the tip-toeing around it.
     
  7. coffee4u

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    That's not what people are saying and isn't the point I am trying to get across. I am not talking about the rights or wrongs of the legal system nor the rights or wrongs of the justice that got dealt out to him in the streets, but rather peoples responses to it. It shows a shift in society.

    If this had been 20 years ago and people were told a convicted pedophile had been gunned down the response would have been good, someone took out the trash.
    Now there are people standing behind him, backing him. There has been a shift away from protecting children to uplifting criminals and making light of what they have done. Those 5 boys have had their lives ruined and affected for ever. Being gunned down actually meant that man didn't suffer nearly enough. He should have been alive and in jail for the rest of his natural life, castrated and put on hard labour.

    There is no such thing as a pure non-christian. If they are unregenerate they are in their sins.

    In this case we are not talking about losing ones temper and yelling, but children lives. There is no sin more vile than violating a child. It is a practiced sin. It takes planning and carrying out. Most children who are sexual abused have been groomed for some time before it occurs. For someone's sexual identity to be so warped and perverted as this, they are never to be trusted. If a man has come to Christ and still has sexual feelings towards children then he should go and get himself castrated.
     
  8. Strathos

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    That's certainly a reasonable viewpoint.

    It's not up to you, nor is it up to armed vigilantes, to decide what punishments are meted out by the justice system. According to a quick bit of research, he had already served his time for the child molestation. You can certainly argue that 10 years wasn't enough, but that doesn't give you the right to take the law into your own hands. Also, it seems that he was currently on bail for a charge of assault. So what should have happened was he should have gone to trial and been sentenced, not be gunned down in the street by a vigilante.

    What you're advocating for sounds like mob rule. Certainly there are problems with the US justice system, but that's not the solution.

    You are the one who brought up the word 'pure'. I just said that there are both Christians and non-Christians who have mental disorders and tendencies toward harmful thoughts, and some of them in both categories are actively working to control that.

    That's an option, although it wouldn't actually prevent many forms of molestation. However, there is quite a difference between feeling an impulse and acting on it. At certain times, you have probably been so angry at someone that you thought to yourself that you wanted them to die. That's certainly a sinful thought, even if you don't mean it seriously. But that doesn't make you a murderer. As long as you know such thoughts are wrong and you repent of them, God will forgive you.
     
  9. coffee4u

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    I have never taken the law into my own hands, nor did I advocate for it. Find where I said that, it isn't there.

    Did I say he should have been gunned down? Again, not there.

    People are backing a child molester.

    Prison, hard labour and castration is not the solution? Then what is?
    Let me guess, you're advocating for a few years and some therapy.

    As for mob rule my country isn't the one with the death sentence, that would be yours.

    We are not talking about other kind of thoughts, these are sexual thoughts towards children. God clearly said that hurting children was in a separate category.

    Matthew 18:6
    “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

    If your judicial system had seen him appropriately dealt with, which should have been behind bars his entire life nobody would have gunned him down.

    Perhaps not but it would help. It would show that people took it seriously.

    Never. Maybe that's because I'm a woman, I don't know. I'm a mother and anybody who hurts a child like this deserves to have nothing for the rest of what should be their miserable lives behind bars.
    I've been angry and thought things but not death. Nor do I believe in the death penalty. That was for the Old Testament and we are under the New.[/QUOTE]
     
  10. DaisyDay

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    And too often, particularly when insurance runs out, they don't.
     
  11. bekkilyn

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    Making up "friendlier" terms for alcoholic or drug addict so that their feelings aren't hurt and they don't seems as threatening wouldn't resolve that issue.
     
  12. SoldierOfTheKing

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    Fights in jail are not unusual. Is the general response when a male inmate is assaulted by another inmate to send him to the women's wing? There are certainly behaviors that will but you at higher risk of getting beaten. These are generally those which either cause you to stand out as a weak inmate, or those that inmates regard as disrespectful. Flagrantly effeminate behavior is going to put you at the top of that list, and guess what, the guards can't be everywhere at once. We all have to take common sense actions to keep ourselves safe. Prison is necessarily a tough environment, and if you're going to live in it you need to man up.
     
  13. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

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    Why are we making fake excuses? She was put in a holding cell, with 3 men, that beat her. Even though her driver's license had female on it, she should have been released in a few hours. She wasn't in prison. She wasn't living like a man at all. There were other holding cells, that had nobody in them. She should have been protected. But they didn't protect her, put her life in danger on purpose.
     
  14. Strathos

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    There's a big difference between 'backing' him, and believing that he should have been given a fair trial and not executed by a vigilante.

    We're talking about vigilante justice here.

    If someone is convicted of child molestation, then by all means, send them to prison. That's what prisons and the the justice system are for. Don't rely on vigilantes to shoot them in the street.

    And I don't approve of it either. But you seem to be saying that it's okay for a vigilante to go around killing criminals, and anyone who criticizes him for that must be in favor of letting all criminals free with no punishment, which is ridiculous.



    And what I'm saying is that there are people who have those feelings, but know it is wrong, and refuse to ever act on them. Thus they are not actually harming any children.


    I'm not familiar with the details of the case, as I'm not a judge or a lawyer. Perhaps you're right and his 10 year sentence was too light. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that a judge made a bad ruling. But that hardly justifies a civilian just killing him.

    What if a hypothetical person also has feelings towards adults and wants to marry another adult and have a family?

    I'm talking about just a fit of annoyance, like thinking non-seriously 'wow, I'm going to kill that guy'. That's still a sin. As long as you don't act on it and ask God for forgiveness, you're okay.
     
  15. Nithavela

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    I'm pretty sure the verdict of Rittenhouses trial stated that he was killed in self defense.
     
  16. Nithavela

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    The job of the justice system is not to fullfill your revenge fantasies.

    Neither is it the job of random vigilantes.
     
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    But certain people are arguing that he deserved to be killed because of his criminal record, hence suggesting that vigilante justice was appropriate.
     
  18. Ana the Ist

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    Academia is the birthplace of leftist narratives.

    You certainly don't have to believe it. You probably should consider though...

    1. Trans activists have largely convinced a significant number of people on the left that children can consent to life changing medical procedures based on their feelings.

    2. They are pushing for young children to explore gender identity and sexuality in early education.

    What exactly is the argument going to be if 5 years from now they say that relationships between adults and children are just a marginalized sexuality that should be accepted?

    Are you going to respond that a child cannot consent? That they can't possibly understand such things at such a young age?
     
  19. Ana the Ist

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    Are you talking about the guy that raped children or the guy who physically abused his family?
     
  20. Ana the Ist

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    Yeah...I don't know if virtuous is the right word.

    Pedophile is about the worst thing you can be in our society. It's not much of a virtue if you abstain from it. I'd wager we both have abstained from it our entire lives....without even thinking of it.

    It's a bit like saying that thinking about mass murder but not doing it is virtuous.

    They're literally trying to rebrand themselves as MAPS and hop on the LGBTQ+ train to normalization. I would wager that their success is going to be based on how much they can shame people into abandoning their values. I don't think pedophobe will work well as a slur...but I've been wrong about these things in the past.
     
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