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Tradition(al) Pet Peeves (meant to be fun/blow off steam/no flaming, please)

Discussion in 'Traditional Theology' started by dzheremi, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. Mary of Bethany

    Mary of Bethany Only one thing is needful. Supporter

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    EO also never have a service without incense. Even Readers services (when no priest is present).

     
  2. Mary of Bethany

    Mary of Bethany Only one thing is needful. Supporter

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    Even in parishes without pews, we all sort of have “our” places to stand. :)

     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2019
  3. dzheremi

    dzheremi Coptic Orthodox non-Egyptian

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    It's weird, because when I was a kid I always associated incense with the Catholic Church (I was raised Presbyterian), and furthermore with funerals, since that's the only time I ever got to go to a Catholic Church (my dad's side of the family was all Catholic, so when my grandfather died, or when a Hispanic friend of mine died in about sixth grade, etc.), so I had kind of a bad association with it. Not in the usual 'Protestant objections to Catholicism' way (my mother never said anything about the RCC other than that Catholics were "weird"), but as in 'Oh...incense...someone must have died'. :( Weird, I know, but I didn't really know any better.

    Fast forward many years and now that I'm Coptic Orthodox, I look at the more standard Roman Catholic or otherwise non-Eastern services and am like "Where's all the incense? Is this a liturgy or not?" I couldn't imagine having a service without it!
     
  4. archer75

    archer75 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'm no expert or even strong amateur on liturgical diversity...and frankly, I would be interested to see this. I think we could have used someone like the recently reposed Fr. Robert Taft to help with this.

    But seeing how "Byzantinized" we all are, and how most of the EO world is either in or was "colonized" from the Byzantine commonwealth...people's piety is tied up in the way we already do things. Which is why, although I don't personally feel a need for it and have yet to attend a service, I do support our Western Rite practices, and I would like to see an EO-ified Sarum Rite, as well. Or some modern Anglican uses adapted for the use of...well, people to whom that is familiar. That isn't to say diversity for its own sake is great or specifically to be desired...but we have lost something, and a degree of revitalization could do us good.

    Which brings us to the official topic: I have a pet peeve within the EOC...when people display a knee-jerk negative reaction to anything unfamiliar, even if it is perfectly E-Orthodox in theology and practice.

    • The longer Great Entrance. Not Russian enough!
    • Western Rite. Smacks of Rome!
    • Any practices that were clearly considered Orthodox for centuries but are now unfamiliar. Madness! Only my parish, in the five years since I was received, is Truly Orthodox!
    Because diversity of form can be good, and I think we could use more than we have. I like Byzantine and Russian icons. But we are always going on about how the Church was the Church in 50 AD...and they didn't have a Russian-style Great Entrance or Rublev's Trinity or diamond crosses. Were they just losers, then?

    Overall, this is one part of a streak of paranoid pride that infects us...as far as it's pride, yes, a sin, etc. But some of its appearances, nitpicking things that really do not need nitpicking, are a pet peeve of mine.
     
  5. All4Christ

    All4Christ ✙ The Handmaid of God Laura ✙ Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    I’ve always been taught that we don’t read it as well. I don’t remember it being read in our parish - I’ll have to compare our scripture calendar with GOARCH.
     
  6. All4Christ

    All4Christ ✙ The Handmaid of God Laura ✙ Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    My pet peeve - rose incense. I have a hard time handling my breathing well when we have rose incense - and it seems to be a special occasion scent for most people.
     
  7. christine40

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    Last edited: Jul 2, 2019
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