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<blockquote data-quote="doubtingmerle" data-source="post: 76762680" data-attributes="member: 6687"><p>The general view here seems to be that one can either believe Total Depravity as described in the opening link, or promote self-esteem. But one cannot do both. They are incompatible.</p><p></p><p>I see one post that suggests that the problem is that we misunderstood the link. This person implies that, understood correctly, the link is compatible with the emphasis on promoting self-esteem. I have follow up questions for this person.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The link says,</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">every part of man—his mind, will, emotions and flesh—have been corrupted by sin. In other words, sin affects all areas of our being including who we are and what we do. It penetrates to the very core of our being so that everything is tainted by sin and “…all our righteous acts are like filthy rags” before a holy God.</p><p></p><p>You somehow interpret this as "some parts of every part". That simply does not seem to me to be what this link is saying.</p><p></p><p>If the author thinks some parts of our parts are not corrupted by sin, why doesn't the author mention that? That would have been very helpful.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>It is hard for me to believe that the link is merely describing that we are inferior to God. If he meant to say that all are inferior to God and some are less depraved then others, then he could have said so.</p><p></p><p>When a Calvinist talks of Total Depravity does he really mean "not as good as God"?</p><p></p><p></p><p>The self-esteem movement is centered around people recognizing their abilities and potential. Is that not the exact opposite of "Total Inability"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doubtingmerle, post: 76762680, member: 6687"] The general view here seems to be that one can either believe Total Depravity as described in the opening link, or promote self-esteem. But one cannot do both. They are incompatible. I see one post that suggests that the problem is that we misunderstood the link. This person implies that, understood correctly, the link is compatible with the emphasis on promoting self-esteem. I have follow up questions for this person. The link says, [INDENT]every part of man—his mind, will, emotions and flesh—have been corrupted by sin. In other words, sin affects all areas of our being including who we are and what we do. It penetrates to the very core of our being so that everything is tainted by sin and “…all our righteous acts are like filthy rags” before a holy God.[/INDENT] You somehow interpret this as "some parts of every part". That simply does not seem to me to be what this link is saying. If the author thinks some parts of our parts are not corrupted by sin, why doesn't the author mention that? That would have been very helpful. It is hard for me to believe that the link is merely describing that we are inferior to God. If he meant to say that all are inferior to God and some are less depraved then others, then he could have said so. When a Calvinist talks of Total Depravity does he really mean "not as good as God"? The self-esteem movement is centered around people recognizing their abilities and potential. Is that not the exact opposite of "Total Inability"? [/QUOTE]
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