Toleration Doesn't Cut Both Ways

[IanCG]

You don't tell an 11B he can only squeeze the trigger with his pinky finger and you don't tell the medic he has to use band-aids to treat a sucking chest wound, nor should you tell a chaplain how to interpret the Bible

You do tell an 11B who he can shoot, and you prioritize casualties in a triage, so you can tell a chaplain what he can or can't say to soldiers who don't want to hear it.

 

[MachZer0]

You do tell an 11B who he can shoot, and you prioritize casualties in a triage, so you can tell a chaplain what he can or can't say to soldiers who don't want to hear it.

The discussion wasn't about what soldiers don't want to hear.

If a soldier doesn't want to hear something from a chaplain, he simply does not have to converse with him

 

[IanCG]

The discussion wasn't about what soldiers don't want to hear.

If a soldier doesn't want to hear something from a chaplain, he simply does not have to converse with him

Actually, wholly incorrect. When I was in the Air Force I had to listen to a chaplain all the time. In fact, it's becoming a huge problem in the Army with their whole concept of "spiritual fitness."

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What exactly is it that you want chaplains to be able to do that the existence of gay service members are prohibiting?

 

[BleedingHeart]

Attack the source when you got nothing. Your union has trained you well.

You call this a source? Because for an "article" talking about all the people who've been harmed by the repeal of DADT, I don't see an awful lot of names OR quotes. In fact, I see NONE of EITHER. Whereas the numerous problems with DADT where discussed by Joseph Rocha, Dan Choi, and Aaron Belkin, I could go on. Social conservatives I swear......

 

[The Woodsman]

Another reason why we should want the Articles of Confederation back. The military isn't controlled by a President catering to homosexual groups under the Articles.

 

[IanCG]

The military isn't controlled by a President catering to homosexual groups.

AKA American people?

Or would homosexuals be disenfranchised from their citizenship in your fantasy?

 

[GenetoJean]

Out of the military, preachers have the ability to preach that many different people of many different faiths arent saved. I have been to churches that preach Catholics, Episcopals, Anglicans, to name a few arent saved. The Baptist church I was raised in sent "missionary" trips to south Louisiana to save the Catholics that are living in sin down there. Chaplains in the military dont have that ability. I would think they would know this ahead of time. The military cant have someone driving wedges between the service members.

 

[RedDead1981]

You don't tell an 11B he can only squeeze the trigger with his pinky finger and you don't tell the medic he has to use band-aids to treat a sucking chest wound, nor should you tell a chaplain how to interpret the Bible

If they wanted to, they could do all that. There are highly compelling reasons to allow latitude in the individuals decision how to perform the two actions you identified. Likewise, there are compelling reasons why chaplins shouldn't be going around telling certain soldiers that they're going to hell.

 

[MachZer0]

Actually, wholly incorrect. When I was in the Air Force I had to listen to a chaplain all the time. In fact, it's becoming a huge problem in the Army with their whole concept of "spiritual fitness."

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What exactly is it that you want chaplains to be able to do that the existence of gay service members are prohibiting?

To tell the truth

 

[MachZer0]

If they wanted to, they could do all that. There are highly compelling reasons to allow latitude in the individuals decision how to perform the two actions you identified. Likewise, there are compelling reasons why chaplins shouldn't be going around telling certain soldiers that they're going to hell.

If the soldier comes to them, they should be able to tell them the truth

 

[GenetoJean]

To tell the truth

So are the Chaplains going to say that nowhere in the Bible does it say that it is ok for someone to go to a whole other country to kill people because the people in that country are already killing each other?

If the chaplain is against a "war" that any particular president gets us into and believes it is against God's will, he can tell the soldiers that they are wrong to fight it?

Chaplains never have been able to preach everything that can be allowed outside the military. This is nothing new. Chaplains shouldnt be able to cause rifts in a unit.

 

[GenetoJean]

If the soldier comes to them, they should be able to tell them the truth

If the only chaplain on a ship is protestant and is approached by a Catholic sailor, he SHOULDNT be able to tell that sailor he is going to hell. Crushing someone's moral while in the middle of a 6 month (and sometimes up to a 9 month or longer) cruise shouldnt be something he is allowed to do.

 

[MachZer0]

If the only chaplain on a ship is protestant and is approached by a Catholic sailor, he SHOULDNT be able to tell that sailor he is going to hell. Crushing someone's moral while in the middle of a 6 month (and sometimes up to a 9 month or longer) cruise shouldnt be something he is allowed to do.

He should be able to tell the sailor the truth

 

[GenetoJean]

He should be able to tell the sailor the truth

Ok, I can appreciate your non-double standard thinking. I really can. We will have to disagree but I respect your not having a double standard.

 

[TScott]

It seems more to be about government defining a minister's job

Yes, that's exactly what it is. The Minister is an employee of the Government. They do define his job. If he is working for a Baptist Church, they will define his job. If he works for an Episcopal Church, they will.

 

[TScott]

You don't tell an 11B he can only squeeze the trigger with his pinky finger and you don't tell the medic he has to use band-aids to treat a sucking chest wound, nor should you tell a chaplain how to interpret the Bible

Yet the military indeed does tell them how to shoot and how to administer medical treatments.

 

[TScott]

He should be able to tell the sailor the truth

Who's truth?

 

[Crusader05]

As an active duty member of the USAF I can attest that the repeal of DADT has had ZERO impacts on readiness, morale etc in the military. It's been a non-issue really in many ways.

 

[RedDead1981]

As an active duty member of the USAF I can attest that the repeal of DADT has had ZERO impacts on readiness, morale etc in the military. It's been a non-issue really in many ways.

There was another soldier in here who pretty much said the exact same thing. He was completely ignored by the social conservatives here.

 

[MachZer0]

Who's truth?

The actual truth