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To the evolution deniers

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Nihilist Virus, Aug 13, 2017.

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  1. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    I made no such claim in the Bible either; yet I think Genesis can be read literally.
     
  2. redleghunter

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    In a 3 billion years old earth I'm sure.
     
  3. Subduction Zone

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    Actually the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. All of the sciences tell us that there was no flood. History tells us that there was no flood.

    Here is the first video in a series that goes over the countless different ways that the flood of Noah has been refuted:



    I noticed that you seemed to be too afraid to tell me which version of the flood that you believe in. Don't worry, it is almost certainly covered in that series.
     
  4. Subduction Zone

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    Of course it can be read that way. So can The Sorcerer's Stone. It would be an error to read either work literally.

    And you claimed that Jesus took it literally but you did not support that claim. That appears to be your personal belief and nothing more.
     
  5. joshua 1 9

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    Christians do write books that they call Allegory. One of them is "Hinds feet on High Places". This books explains why Creation is in a fallen condition. For example why bee's have a stinger and why skunks make a stink. Creation itself reflects the fallen condition of mankind.

    The Bible refers to shadows and types. They say that everything God did in and through the Hebrews in the Old Testament He is not doing in and through the Church in the New Testament. Also we read about parables in the New Testament. "a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels."
     
  6. joshua 1 9

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    Noah's flood is a shadow and a type of what happened at Pangea when the world at that time was destroyed. Noah's flood only involved Noah's world (biodiverse ecosystem), not the entire Biosphere as we see at the time of Pangea. So there was a worldwide flood but the flood in Noah's day only involved the ecosystem we find in the Tigris Euphrates river valley. A area that use to be dominated by Neanderthals but was taken over by Homo Sepian around 45,000 years ago. This was a very rich area for growing food and there was an abundance of food to be found.
     
  7. Subduction Zone

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    Pangaea broke up about 200 million years ago. And even then the entire Earth was never underwater. Let's try to stick to reality, don't steal from science that which you do not understand.
     
  8. joshua 1 9

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    Solomon wrote 1,000 books and three of them made it into the Bible & one of them almost did not make it because it was sexually suggestive.
     
  9. joshua 1 9

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    "Let's" stick to the rules and not flame people.
     
  10. Subduction Zone

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    There was no flaming there. Your reference to Pangaea only demonstrated that you do not understand what happened then. The world was not destroyed, not even close. All that happened was that continents separated as they had before.
     
  11. redleghunter

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    Thank you for the materialistic video series.

    I believe I made it abundantly clear that with a creator God Who intervenes in the affairs of mankind via supernatural acts, the account of the deluge in Genesis is accurate.

    Does the video series take the supernatural into account?
     
  12. joshua 1 9

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    This is debateable. Pangea explains the biodiversity we find world wide. This solves the problem we have with Noah's flood.

    The point to begin with is the atmosphere we had at the time of Pangea. In Gen1:6 we read: "God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." At the time of Noah's flood: "the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened". Some translations use the word floodgates. It would appear that the firmament that God created had windows and the water from the atmosphere fell to the earth. Some animals still remain like the turtle and the allegator. They require very wet conditions to survive. For the most part there was a 90% extinction and the remnant or 10% repopulated the earth. We read this in the Bible with remnant theology - the Science of Evolution confirms that the Bible is 100% accurate and true.

    In the waters above the earth we see fish and in the waters above the earth we see birds fly through what we call air. We have water currents and we have air currents. They create our weather. There is a 50 degree difference in the temperature from the tilt of the earth caused by the moon. The weather and the laws of thermodynamics helps to stabilize the earths temperature.
     
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  13. joshua 1 9

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    I have showed them many, many, many times that Science confirms that the Bible is accurate and true. Esp Genesis and the books of Moses. They want to reject Science though. Science is based on evidence and having a good understanding of the wisdom, knowledge and understanding we have when we study the evidence God has made available to us. God gives us the ability to understand some of how He created the World that we live in. "people are without excuse"

    "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:20
     
  14. joshua 1 9

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    Yes there was, a personal attack is a flame and that is exactly what you did.

    Not true. Take a look at the Ghost Ranch in New Mexico and you will see a lot of the evidence used to support what was then the theory of continental drift and today is called plate tectonics. Geologic Tour - Ghost Ranch

    " The world-renowned Whitaker quarry, which contains hundreds of skeletons of an early Triassic dinosaur, Coelophysis bauri, is located in this interval (Colbert, 1995)." This dinosaur was a carnivore /ˈkɑːrnɪvɔər/, meaning "meat eater". Galatians 5:15 "If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other."

    "It has been suggested that C. bauri was a cannibal, based on supposed juvenile specimens found "within" the abdominal cavities of some Ghost Ranch specimens.[23] However, Rob Gay showed in 2002 that these specimens were misinterpreted. Several specimens of "juvenile coelophysids" were actually small crurotarsan reptiles such as Hesperosuchus.[24] Gay's position was lent support in a 2006 study by Nesbitt et al.[25] In 2009, new evidence of cannibalism came to light when additional preparation of previously excavated matrix revealed regurgitate material in and around the mouth of Coelophysis specimen NMMNH P-44551. This material included tooth and jaw bone fragments that Rinehart et al. considered "morphologically identical" to a juvenile Coelophysis.[6]" Wiki

    "The multitude of specimens deposited so closely together at Ghost Ranch was probably the result of a flash flood, which swept away a large number of Coelophysis and buried them quickly and simultaneously. In fact, it seems that such flooding was commonplace during this period of the Earth's history and, indeed, the Petrified Forest of nearby Arizona is the result of a preserved log jam of tree trunks that were caught in one such flood" Wiki

    It was a flood that destroyed the Coelophysis in New Mexico and it was a flood that destroyed the forest in nearby Arizona. Today God has given us evidence of this flood in the geology in both of these states. In fact the whole rocky mountains all the way to Wyoming. If you would like to get into a discussion of why we find sea shells at the top of the mountains.

    There are hundreds of thousands of books of science that offer evidence that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. To stand as a testimony to those who want to deny God.
     
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  15. redleghunter

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    Jesus did quote Genesis 2 as God's design for marriage (Matthew 19). He also refers to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as historical figures (Mark 12:26-27).

    He mentions the martyrs of antiquity mentioning the blood of Abel first (Luke 11:51).

    Jesus also confirms Moses as a historical figure in John 5:45-47. Notice in those verses Jesus challenges His audience to seek Him in the words of Moses as a reliable historical source. Which the Torah, attributed to Moses states the received revelation of creation in Exodus 20:11.

    And Jesus confirms Noah as historical in Matthew 24:38-39.

    But you know this already I'm sure.
     
  16. Speedwell

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    None of which supports your claim, which is about the text of the Genesis stories, not the historicity of the individuals depicted in it.
     
  17. Subduction Zone

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    Quoting Genesis is not a statement that it is accurate. Jesus used all sorts of teaching tools, parables, allegory, etc.. You need a lot more than just a quote or two to justify the claim that Jesus took Genesis literally.
     
  18. Subduction Zone

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    No, there was a correction of a gross error.

    And a lot of unconnected misunderstanding on your part that only once again demonstrates that you have no clue when it comes to the Earth's past. You are trying to cherry pick events that you do not understand.
     
  19. joshua 1 9

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    Bishop Ussher's book has over 12,000 footnotes to secular sources in addition to the over 2,000 references we read in our Bible. There is abundant historical evidence that Abraham, Isaac & Jacob were historical figures. There actually is overwhelming evidence to that effect. The deniers clearly have some sort of personal and unscientific agenda they are wanting to promote because they are not willing to go where the evidence is taking them.
     
  20. joshua 1 9

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    You're grasping for air sense you're unable to present any evidence at all to substantiate your claims. Give me your evidence, show me what you have to substantiate your claims.
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