posted 01-31-2002 10:35 PM Ephesians 4 Report
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To die is gain:
II Corinthians 5:3 - 12
Verse 6 - "Therefore we are always confident , knowing that, whilst we are
at home in the body ( of Christ ) we are absent from the Lord" ( We will not
be with the Lord , until the gathering up - I Thess. 4:13 - 18)
These verses are spiritual , and must be looked at in the spiritual
sense/understanding.
Lets continue on , looking at these verses >
Verse 7 - "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
I can see people who are alive , walking around in their own bodies. But we
are to understand these verses , not with our eyes, but with our spiritual
understandings/eyes. For even David has not ascended up and his grave is still
with us - Acts 2:29 & 34. Remember , that the "grave" and "hell" are the
"same" Hebrew and / or Greek word !
Verse 8 - "We are confident , I say, and willing rather to be absent from
the body, and to be present with the Lord"
The body of Christ is the wife to Christ. This wife to Christ , is going to
become "one" at the gathering. We will no longer be two, but one. This body,
the body of Christ will we be absent from, "when" we become one with Christ,
at the gathering. So, when we are absent from this body of Christ, then we
will be one with Christ, which does not occur until the gathering up. It
even tells us in I Thess. 4:15 - that we will not preceed them that are
asleep ! In the KJV it is the word "prevent" , which is a very poor
translation . My concordance to the KJV says this ! It is the Greek word -
"phthano" which is translated 4 times "come", and only one time - "prevent".
But even in the concordance it tells us that it "means" to "preceed", or in
this case "not preceed" - that which are asleep. So no one will preceed
another to be with the Lord.
Verse 9 - "Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent , we may be
accepted of him"
This verse is telling us , that what we do in our labour , that we may be
accepted of him of our labours. Whether present or absent - means - Whether
we are still here in this body of Christ, or whether present with him at the
judgement seat of Christ.
Context:
Verse 10 - This is the judgement seat of Christ , where "only" Christians
are judged. And this verse is part of the context of what it says in verse
9.
Philippians 1:21 - 24 should be looked at in the same spiritual light that I
have explained in II Corinth. 5, because they mean the same thing as I have
explain above. Death is an enemy, and to die in never gain , in a literal
sense. So these verses, again, must be looked at in spiritual light /
understanding.
Paul is saying that we are to consider these bodies - this body, dead -
Romans 6:7 & 8 - is gain - verse 21. < That is what this verse is saying ! !
Then Paul says in verse 22 - That if I live in the flesh ( then I do not
consider this body dead), this is the fruit of my labour.
In verse 23 Paul is saying that he is stuggling between his flesh and the
Spirit. So it is better to consider this body dead, which is gain, which is
to live with Christ, which is far better than to consider this body not
dead, and live in the flesh. (Galatians chapter 5 - works of the "flesh" -
verses 19 & 20 & 21) But if you consider your body dead, which is gain, then
you produce the fruit of the Spirit - Galatians 5:22 & 23.
Galatians 5:24 - "And they that are Christ's have crucified(died/dead) the
flesh with the affections and lusts"
Galatians 5:25 - "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit"
This is what it means --- "to die, is gain"
Love IN Christ - Hervey
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To die is gain:
II Corinthians 5:3 - 12
Verse 6 - "Therefore we are always confident , knowing that, whilst we are
at home in the body ( of Christ ) we are absent from the Lord" ( We will not
be with the Lord , until the gathering up - I Thess. 4:13 - 18)
These verses are spiritual , and must be looked at in the spiritual
sense/understanding.
Lets continue on , looking at these verses >
Verse 7 - "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
I can see people who are alive , walking around in their own bodies. But we
are to understand these verses , not with our eyes, but with our spiritual
understandings/eyes. For even David has not ascended up and his grave is still
with us - Acts 2:29 & 34. Remember , that the "grave" and "hell" are the
"same" Hebrew and / or Greek word !
Verse 8 - "We are confident , I say, and willing rather to be absent from
the body, and to be present with the Lord"
The body of Christ is the wife to Christ. This wife to Christ , is going to
become "one" at the gathering. We will no longer be two, but one. This body,
the body of Christ will we be absent from, "when" we become one with Christ,
at the gathering. So, when we are absent from this body of Christ, then we
will be one with Christ, which does not occur until the gathering up. It
even tells us in I Thess. 4:15 - that we will not preceed them that are
asleep ! In the KJV it is the word "prevent" , which is a very poor
translation . My concordance to the KJV says this ! It is the Greek word -
"phthano" which is translated 4 times "come", and only one time - "prevent".
But even in the concordance it tells us that it "means" to "preceed", or in
this case "not preceed" - that which are asleep. So no one will preceed
another to be with the Lord.
Verse 9 - "Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent , we may be
accepted of him"
This verse is telling us , that what we do in our labour , that we may be
accepted of him of our labours. Whether present or absent - means - Whether
we are still here in this body of Christ, or whether present with him at the
judgement seat of Christ.
Context:
Verse 10 - This is the judgement seat of Christ , where "only" Christians
are judged. And this verse is part of the context of what it says in verse
9.
Philippians 1:21 - 24 should be looked at in the same spiritual light that I
have explained in II Corinth. 5, because they mean the same thing as I have
explain above. Death is an enemy, and to die in never gain , in a literal
sense. So these verses, again, must be looked at in spiritual light /
understanding.
Paul is saying that we are to consider these bodies - this body, dead -
Romans 6:7 & 8 - is gain - verse 21. < That is what this verse is saying ! !
Then Paul says in verse 22 - That if I live in the flesh ( then I do not
consider this body dead), this is the fruit of my labour.
In verse 23 Paul is saying that he is stuggling between his flesh and the
Spirit. So it is better to consider this body dead, which is gain, which is
to live with Christ, which is far better than to consider this body not
dead, and live in the flesh. (Galatians chapter 5 - works of the "flesh" -
verses 19 & 20 & 21) But if you consider your body dead, which is gain, then
you produce the fruit of the Spirit - Galatians 5:22 & 23.
Galatians 5:24 - "And they that are Christ's have crucified(died/dead) the
flesh with the affections and lusts"
Galatians 5:25 - "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit"
This is what it means --- "to die, is gain"
Love IN Christ - Hervey
