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To Cease or to Continue, that is the Question

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by JohnT, Sep 15, 2020.

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  1. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    impossible demons are not in a believer. thats an oxymoron
     
  2. John Mullally

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    Wow, there goes that Jesus with the the name it and claim it:

    Mark 11:23 “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
     
  3. Jesus is YHWH

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    go handle some rattlesnakes and get back to me
     
  4. John Mullally

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    Don't care to - not required to. Go handle Mark 11:23-24 and get back to me - it is addressed to anyone.
     
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  5. Jesus is YHWH

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    I really have no interest in continuing with this I will never change my mind on tongues, healings, sign gifts etc......

    Been doing it for 40 plus years and they are secondary issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with Salvation. Bigger fish to fry such as the Trinity, Deity of Christ, the Gospel, Bodily Resurrection, Salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. The Essentials are worth debating since they are SALVIFIC.

    hope this helps !!!
     
  6. John Mullally

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    For the record you have no interest in addressing Mark 11:23-24. Didn't know we can pick which instructions from Jesus we can attend to.

    Luke 6:46 Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but not do what I say? 47I will show you what he is like who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them: 48He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid his foundation on the rock. When the flood came, the torrent crashed against that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. 49But the one who hears My words and does not act on them is like a man who built his house on ground without a foundation. The torrent crashed against that house, and immediately it fell—and great was its destruction!”
     
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  7. Jesus is YHWH

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    show me some before and after pics of the amputees you healed and the dead you raised and the deaf and blind.

    thanks !
     
  8. John Mullally

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    If your are sincere (which you are not because you reject Mark 11:23-24), you can go watch Sid Roth on the YouTubes to find examples.
     
  9. Jesus is YHWH

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    Miracles in scripture are the exception not the rule. The time of the Exodus with Moses, the time of the prophets with Elijah and Elisha, the ministry of Jesus, and the time of the apostles. In each case these miracles authenticated the messenger was from God and when Gods revelation was no complete. The Law, the Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles.

    hope this helps !!!
     
  10. Jesus is YHWH

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    no interest thanks but no thanks. just another copeland, hinn wanna be
     
  11. John Mullally

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    But for the record, do you reject Mark 11:23-24? Please answer with I accept it, I don't understand it (i.e. subject to Luke 6:49), I am studying it, or it is incorrect. No need to leave the 5 or 10 people listening to this in the lurch. Copeland and Hinn don't actually care.
     
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  12. Jesus is YHWH

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    only if its according to Gods will.

    save your questions for someone else who is interested in the charismatic chaos, I'm not.

    I would convert to Catholicism before becoming a charismatic. That should tell you everything you need to know about what I think of charismatic doctrines.
     
  13. John Mullally

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  14. Jesus is YHWH

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    I can promise you it doesn't. Same goes with your foundation.
     
  15. JohnT

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    That is quite a different thing, and unrelated to the gift of healing. Essentially, Paul is saying the equivalent of "Take some Maalox for your stomach". We all know that taken in moderation, because the Bible strongly condemns getting drunk, that there is medicinal properties in alcohol.

    Did you notice that the shelves in your local stores ran out of hand sanitizers recently? That is another example of the medicinal properties of alcohol.

    Healing in the Bible did not relieve mundane things like Irritable Bowel Syndrome. However, it was focused on lameness, blindness, and the woman in who had 11 years of vaginal bleeding. (Matthew 9:20; Mark 5: 26)

    What you have done is created an analogy of false comparison, and used silence ("Paul never said...") to essentially make a claim that healing is bogus.

    So while I am really not scolding you, the usage of logical fallacies in argumentation automatically invalidate the thesis of the user. Repent, you sinner! :p
     
  16. John Mullally

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    So you can reject the words of Jesus in Mark 11:23-24 and feel confident on judgement day just because you hate Copeland and Hinn.
     
  17. Jesus is YHWH

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    they are false teachers I never said I hate them, I hate their teachings.
     
  18. John Mullally

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    Is Jesus also a false teacher because he stated Mark 11:23-24? Do not digress.

    Mark my words. I give high odds this thread will be closed soon, because it will be reported.
     
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  19. Jesus is YHWH

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    you should watch John MacArthurs videos on charismatics and I'll watch your guy.

    Deal ?
     
  20. John Mullally

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    Sure have watched McArthur and have participated on his forums as a Charismatic. I even noticed in his internet preaching recordings that he was open to the Gifts of the Spirit early on. Those records have been deleted. Apparently he changed his mind based upon experience - I change my mind all the time. He is related to Douglas McArthur - the great General. I have also studied McConnel on a "Different Gospel" - which is basically an anti-WoF book

    I love learning different systems that are out there - having being deeply impacted away from Catholicism at age 13 by reading the Gospels. Keep the good, throw away the bad.

    If I were to advise any reading, I would advise anything from Kenneth Hagin.
     
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