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To Be Kept In Eternity

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by EastCoastRemnant, Feb 1, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

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    For me I am similar to you in some ways. I only study God's WORD for myself. I think the key thing is that we have to come to God's WORD not as teachers but as Children to our Hevenly Father asking that he will be our teacher. If we have faith in God's promises then he promises to guide us into all truth and show us things to come. This is where our trust and faith must lie because as you know already I am sure God will make of nothing the wisdom of the wise and spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Yes I agree, I have nothing against anyone wanting to keep the New moon and annual festivals. Especially if it helps to bring them closer to Jesus and even more so if they understand were the feasts were pointing. ;)
     
  3. tall73

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    I agree. My main reason for leaving initially was the Sanctuary doctrine. I studied the levitical types for years, met with the seminary folks, discussed with various Adventists, etc. It was not a fun process in that it shook up my whole life, but I learned a ton by studying the Sanctuary more and more, and was blessed by the process of trying to understand what God had to say.

    It is late here, so have a good night, and God bless.
     
  4. LoveGodsWord

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    Well as I said ealier not sure if we understand everything but if we seek Jesus every day and continue in his Word he promises we will be his disciples and we will know the truth and the truth will set us free (John 8:31-36)

    Well I really enjoyed having a chat to you tall. Thanks for sharing where your at. It has helped me a lot and once again my apologies for my assumptions. I thank God and hope you consider me as a friend to you here in the forum.

    My time now is dinner so will have to sign off for a little. Now that I know you better it is like I have met you for the first time and hope you will consider me as a friend.

    Chat latter mate, dinner time down under. :wave:
     
  5. HIM

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    New moon is only mention in reference to the monthly cycle in this circumstance. It is being used in reference to time not the festivals.
    Month to month; Sabbath to Sabbath all flesh shall come to worship at the face of me says; GOD.
     
  6. The7thColporteur

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    Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
     
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  7. EastCoastRemnant

    EastCoastRemnant I Must Decrease That He May Increase Supporter

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    God's children are called priests, so of what order are we? Surely not the Melchesidek as Christ is of that order. Could it be that we are considered part of the Levitical priesthood?

    As far as the children dying at 100 and people living as a tree, they seem symbolic to me. A tree's life is multi generational and considered a to be more than a mans earthly life is... which is what eternity will be.

    As I don't discern a better understanding, I will keep with symbolism for those passages. If they're are to be taken literally and pertaining to Israel's restoration, a mans life is not as long as a tree and both sinners and saints die at 100. I see no earthly, pre-eternity application here.
     
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  8. tall73

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    I enjoyed the conversation as well. I am over in the states so we definitely have different schedules, and I wound up staying up a bit late! But hopefully we can have further conversations.

    God bless
     
  9. tall73

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    If so, why some priests and some Levites? Per Hebrews 10 we would all have access as priests, and it compares Christ's cleansing of us to the anointing service of the priests. And as was quoted earlier from Peter we are a nation of priests.

    It is certainly a difficult passage either way.

    The sinner was accursed because he did not live as long as the saints normally would. They would live the equivalent of multiple generations, as a tree, and he would only live 100.

    And the child who would die in only days, instead lives 100 years. Definitely either way it is hyperbole. But the description was of complete restoration after complete destruction.

    The judging of the nations did not result in the earth literally being destroyed either. But that language is used in direct connection of judgment on Babylon, Assyria, etc.

    Certainly God did bless them when they were faithful to the covenant, the most notable time being during Solomon's reign, until he turned his heart to idols. This was fulfilling the blessings and curses under the covenant.

    Either way death is not part of heaven either, and sinners would not live at all, let alone to 100 in the New Jerusalem. So it appears that it is stressing the blessings that would come after the restoration in extreme terms, but not literally fulfilled.

    But they were not faithful to the covenant completely after the restoration. And John takes up that language in a more complete way, with no death at all. They are fulfilled in a better way.
     
  10. tall73

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    Well yes and no, it was an assembly as well. Either way for Adventists that doesn't answer the question if Ellen White references the new moon in particular, not just the time monthly aspect.
     
  11. EastCoastRemnant

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    I don't see her use of the Biblically translated term to be necessarily at odds with James' rendering of months. Kind of the same as the "everlasting vs ages" translation difference.
     
  12. HIM

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    Are we not all one in Christ Jesus. The Body of Christ the Temple of GOD.
     
  13. HIM

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    I don't know about all that. But I do know that more often than not the Hebrew word translated New Moon in Isaiah 66 is understood to be just month.

    Do you have a reference in regards to Ellen's usage?
     
  14. EastCoastRemnant

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    Of course... I was only wondering of what order of priests we are.... after the order of Jesus who is after the order of Melchezidek? As we don't know diddly about who or what Melchezidek was or represented, I guess it's a moot point.
     
  15. tall73

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    The one we were referencing was the last paragraph in the OP.


    Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional

    There they will assemble in the sanctuary from Sabbath to Sabbath, from one new moon to another, to unite in loftiest strains of song, in praise and thanksgiving to Him who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb forever and ever.
     
  16. The7thColporteur

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    Indeed, as cited there is no difference at all, even as shown on the original listing of the words:



    We can see this in a specific example:

    Ezra 3:4 KJB - They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required;

    Ezra 3:5 KJB - And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD.

    Ezra 3:6 KJB - From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. But the foundation of the temple of the LORD was not yet laid.
    And also:

    Esther 3:7 KJB - In the first month, that is, the month Nisan, in the twelfth year of king Ahasuerus, they cast Pur, that is, the lot, before Haman from day to day, and from month to month, to the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar.​

    Even as sister White quotes:

    "... They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the custom, as the duty of every day required; and afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the Lord that were reconsecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the Lord. From the first day of the seventh month began they to offer burnt offerings unto the Lord. {RH, March 28, 1907 par. 17}

    "But the foundation of the temple of the Lord was not yet laid. {RH, March 28, 1907 par. 18} ..." - Review and Herald, March 28, 1907, par. 18

    "... As preparations for building the temple advanced from month to month, the faithful remnant of Israel began to gather courage. Long had they been deprived of every visible token of God's presence with them. And now, surrounded as they were by many sad reminders of the terrible apostasy of their fathers, which had finally resulted in lifelong captivity, they longed for some abiding token of divine forgiveness and favor. Above the restoration of personal property and many ancient privileges, they valued the approval of God. Wonderfully had he wrought in their behalf; and now they longed for an assurance of his pardoning love and protecting care. By working diligently to rebuild the temple, they hoped to hasten the restoration of special blessings connected with the sanctuary service. Within the walls of this second temple they expected to see revealed the glory of the Lord. {RH, April 11, 1907 par. 1} ..." - Review and Herald, April 11, 1907, Par 1.
     
  17. HIM

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    Well if we are one in Christ and He is a after the order of Melchezidek then it would stand to reason so are we.
    There is a lot written about him throughout Antiquity. Wikipedia compiled this.
     
  18. HIM

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    So when you said,"Either way for Adventists that doesn't answer the question if Ellen White references the new moon in particular, not just the time monthly aspect."

    So Your thinking she mention, "from one new moon to another in respect to the festivals? I see it as continuous worship. From Sabbath to Sabbath, from month to month. She only quoted it to bring our attention back to Isaiah 66. The KJV is a translation. There are many translation that translate the text differently. The LXX ; which is a Greek translation compiled before the time of Christ has it translated like this.
    And it shall come to pass from month to month, and from sabbath to sabbath, that all flesh shall come to worship before me in Jerusalem, saith the Lord.
    (Isa 66:23 Brenton)
    With it being translated like that there is no confusion as to thinking that the translators in Alexandria thought the text was referencing the festivals. As a matter of fact at least in Isaiah they used an entirely different word to reference the New moon festivals. That word is noumenia. It is used in Isaiah 1:13 and 14. The Greek word men is used in Isaiah 66:23. As a side note the LXX is quoted in the New Testament more often than Masoretic. Not that that is an end all but it it is definitely note worthy; at least for me considering the quoting is being done by Jesus and the Apostles through the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Where does this verse say anything about keeping anything. All I read is about worship.
     
  20. listed

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    They shall what? I read worship. I don't read anything about "on" the sabbath. You're changing God's Word by adding and subtracting.
     
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