To “hell” with God’s Image?

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

If the thread title got your attention and made you go huh? Perhaps even angered you? Good! I have two very sincere and very relevant questions for my ECT brothers in Christ.

1). If God made man in His own image, why would He send any of His Image bearers to hell?

Ans: He most definitely would NOT and will NOT …The Scriptures are clear … man is made in God’s Image. Yes? Therefore it follows, were God to send even one man, let alone the majority of mankind to hell, He would be condemning His own Image to hell! No? Hmmmmmmm, I can’t see how anyone can disagree with this logical conclusion.

God’s Name is on the line here folks. His Name is who He is and He is the only true God and there is no other! AMEN! He declares He will not give His glory to another … I would here be referring to Satan. The Adversary of God and man. Is God going to allow Satan to torment Him via His image bearers? Forever? At all?


2). If Jesus died and paid the penalty for our sin, and according to so many that penalty is ECT, why is Jesus seated at the Right Hand of God instead of suffering ECT in hell for all the redeemed who have trusted Him to pay the penalty for their sin?

Ans: Because “the wages of sin is death …” Both physical and spiritual death. First death, Second Death … doesn’t matter. Death is death. The last enemy to be defeated is death! No? Jesus is not suffering ECT in hell because this carnally minded concept of man is NOT what the Scriptures teach. Plain and simple. If the wages of sin was ECT … He lied! Currently Jesus is not in hell, nor is He in a perpetual state of searing pain, paying the penalty on your behalf. Your debt is still your debt!

This kind of carnal minded theological concept, when taken to its logical conclusion, shows itself to be what it really is; the most God forsaken, wicked assault ever perpetrated against His Name. It completely negates the completed work of Christ. If He were forever suffering the eternal consequences on behalf of His people, He would not have been able to be resurrected! Contempt is being pour out on all His other promises by adhering to this carnal minded doctrine and mockery of the Gospel. Once again, I can’t see how anyone can disagree with this logical conclusion.

Blessings …

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi, Free!

Nice to meet you and welcome to CF!

If the thread title got your attention and made you go huh?

It sure did!

Perhaps even angered you?

Well ... ya ... sorta.

Good!

I have two very sincere and very relevant questions for my ECT brothers in Christ.

Okay.

1). If God made man in His own image, why would He send any of His Image bearers to hell?

He only sends the ones that have their sin nature uncovered.

As God said, "When I see the blood, I will pass over you."

For those who don't want anything to do with His blood, well ...

... it's curtains.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

Hi, Free!

Nice to meet you and welcome to CF!



It sure did!



Well ... ya ... sorta.







Okay.



He only sends the ones that have their sin nature uncovered.

As God said, "When I see the blood, I will pass over you."

For those who don't want anything to do with His blood, well ...

... it's curtains.

Hey man, thanks for the speedy reply. Your answer really doesn’t address how God gets glory from condemning His Name. I have no issue with unrepentant man reaping the consequences of his unbelief. But if you cannot see the absurdity of our Awesome God, allowing his image to be condemned; not just condemned but allowing man to decide on His condemnation? I don’t have a reply. I’m pretty sure the Lord would not leave the decision to man condemning the condemnation of His Name.

Any thoughts to share on the second question?

blessings

 

[AV1611VET]

Hey man, thanks for the speedy reply. Your answer really doesn’t address how God gets glory from condemning His Name. I have no issue with unrepentant man reaping the consequences of his unbelief. But if you cannot see the absurdity of our Awesome God, allowing his image to be condemned; not just condemned but allowing man to decide on His condemnation? I don’t have a reply. I’m pretty sure the Lord would not leave the decision to man condemning the condemnation of His Name.

Any thoughts to share on the second question?

blessings

I'm kinda busy right now, chief.

Can I get back to you later on this?

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

I'm kinda busy right now, chief.

Can I get back to you later on this?

Absolutely my friend … thanks again for joining the discussion.

blessngs

 

[d taylor]

If the thread title got your attention and made you go huh? Perhaps even angered you? Good! I have two very sincere and very relevant questions for my ECT brothers in Christ.

1). If God made man in His own image, why would He send any of His Image bearers to hell?

Ans: He most definitely would NOT and will NOT …The Scriptures are clear … man is made in God’s Image. Yes? Therefore it follows, were God to send even one man, let alone the majority of mankind to hell, He would be condemning His own Image to hell! No? Hmmmmmmm, I can’t see how anyone can disagree with this logical conclusion.

God’s Name is on the line here folks. His Name is who He is and He is the only true God and there is no other! AMEN! He declares He will not give His glory to another … I would here be referring to Satan. The Adversary of God and man. Is God going to allow Satan to torment Him via His image bearers? Forever? At all?


2). If Jesus died and paid the penalty for our sin, and according to so many that penalty is ECT, why is Jesus seated at the Right Hand of God instead of suffering ECT in hell for all the redeemed who have trusted Him to pay the penalty for their sin?

Ans: Because “the wages of sin is death …” Both physical and spiritual death. First death, Second Death … doesn’t matter. Death is death. The last enemy to be defeated is death! No? Jesus is not suffering ECT in hell because this carnally minded concept of man is NOT what the Scriptures teach. Plain and simple. If the wages of sin was ECT … He lied! Currently Jesus is not in hell, nor is He in a perpetual state of searing pain, paying the penalty on your behalf. Your debt is still your debt!

This kind of carnal minded theological concept, when taken to its logical conclusion, shows itself to be what it really is; the most God forsaken, wicked assault ever perpetrated against His Name. It completely negates the completed work of Christ. If He were forever suffering the eternal consequences on behalf of His people, He would not have been able to be resurrected! Contempt is being pour out on all His other promises by adhering to this carnal minded doctrine and mockery of the Gospel. Once again, I can’t see how anyone can disagree with this logical conclusion.

Blessings …

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God sends no one to the lake of fire because of sin, Jesus took care of sin on the cross. The only reason an unbeliever ends up in the lake of fire. Is because they never received The Life of God (by belief in Jesus) and remained in their dead state.

So a person who is dead spiritually can not live with/where an alive spiritual God resides. So the only place for the dead spiritually unbeliever is the lake of fire.

 

[Clare73]

If the thread title got your attention and made you go huh? Perhaps even angered you? Good! I have two very sincere and very relevant questions for my ECT brothers in Christ.

1). If God made man in His own image, why would He send any of His Image bearers to hell?

That is more than adequately covered in the NT.

I'll leave it to you to study.

2). If Jesus died and paid the penalty for our sin, and according to so many that penalty is ECT, why is Jesus seated at the Right Hand of God instead of suffering ECT in hell for all the redeemed who have trusted Him to pay the penalty for their sin?

That is more than adequately covered in the NT.

You get to do the homework.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

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God sends no one to the lake of fire because of sin, Jesus took care of sin on the cross. The only reason an unbeliever ends up in the lake of fire. Is because they never received The Life of God (by belief in Jesus) and remained in their dead state.

So a person who is dead spiritually can not live with/where an alive spiritual God resides. So the only place for the dead spiritually unbeliever is the lake of fire.

Hi Taylor. Thanks for joining the discussion. The Lake of Fire is not hell, but rather hell is cast in to the lake of fire. But this is not the discussion at hand. I’m not asking why people go to hell, I’m asking why Jesus isn’t in hell if he paid the penalty for mankind. In order for sin to be taken care of the payment must be made in full. I believe He did just that!

You are only addressing the unbelievers fate. I’m asking about those who have believed. Our sin must be handled by Christ paying our debt. Is the debt death or ECT? If it is ECT then The Christ must endure forever on our behalf. Also, you make no reference to God‘s condemning His image to hell? All of mankind is created in His image. Any image bearer of God going to hell takes the Name of God to hell with them. Just can’t see it happening my friend.

 

[d taylor]

Hi Taylor. Thanks for joining the discussion. The Lake of Fire is not hell, but rather hell is cast in to the lake of fire. But this is not the discussion at hand. I’m not asking why people go to hell, I’m asking why Jesus isn’t in hell if he paid the penalty for mankind. In order for sin to be taken care of the payment must be made in full. I believe He did just that!

You are only addressing the unbelievers fate. I’m asking about those who have believed. Our sin must be handled by Christ paying our debt. Is the debt death or ECT? If it is ECT then The Christ must endure forever on our behalf. Also, you make no reference to God‘s condemning His image to hell? All of mankind is created in His image. Any image bearer of God going to hell takes the Name of God to hell with them. Just can’t see it happening my friend.

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Again Jesus took away all sin unbelievers and believers. Again people do not go to hell because of sin, so that is why Jesus is not in hell. Jesus is Eternal Life, Eternal Life can not reside in hell.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

That is more than adequately covered in the NT.

I'll leave it to you to study.

That is more than adequately covered in the NT.

You get to do the homework.

Hi Clare73 and thanks for joining the discussion. If you have no issue with God condemning His image to hell and leaving that decision to man, then I really have no reply. Sorry. The NT does not address why Jesus is not suffering in hell, but that is exactly where He should be if ECT is the penalty. I know where Jesus is and why He is seated at the right hand of God. I’ve done my homework brother and that is why I’m asking these questions that everyone seems to choose to ignore.

How does God get glory from condemning His image to hell and why isn’t Jesus suffering in hell if ECT is the penalty?

blessings

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

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Again Jesus took away all sin unbelievers and believers. Again people do not go to hell because of sin, so that is why Jesus is not in hell. Jesus is Eternal Life, Eternal Life can not reside in hell.

Hi Taylor. You said, “people do not go to hell because of sin” because “Jesus took care of sin on the cross.” Now can you please tell me how he took care of sin if He didn’t completely pay the debt due for our sin. If the debt is death, and it is, because that is exactly what Scripture says is the penalty; the wages of sin is death … Jesus most assuredly did pay that penalty. If the penalty is ECT in hell? Sorry … if Jesus isn’t in hell forever paying that penalty then He failed to pay the debt.

Blessings

 

[Clare73]

Hi Clare73 and thanks for joining the discussion. If you have no issue with God condemning His image to hell and leaving that decision to man, then I really have no reply. Sorry.

I have no issue with anything the all-holy and all just (right) God does, including his thorough drubbing of Job.

I don't judge him. . .he judges me!

The NT does not address why Jesus is not suffering in hell, but that is exactly where He should be if ECT is the penalty. I know where Jesus is and why He is seated at the right hand of God. I’ve done my homework brother and that is why I’m asking these questions that everyone seems to choose to ignore.

How does God get glory from condemning His image to hell

The justice of God is glorified in all punishment of disobedience to him.

and why isn’t Jesus suffering in hell if ECT is the penalty?

The suffering of the divine Jesus (Lk 1:32, 35) on the cross is infinite--more than all human suffering for all time.
Being infinite, his suffering is complete satisfaction for all the sin of his people.

 

[d taylor]

Hi Taylor. You said, “people do not go to hell because of sin” because “Jesus took care of sin on the cross.” Now can you please tell me how he took care of sin if He didn’t completely pay the debt due for our sin. If the debt is death, and it is, because that is exactly what Scripture says is the penalty; the wages of sin is death … Jesus most assuredly did pay that penalty. If the penalty is ECT in hell? Sorry … if Jesus isn’t in hell forever paying that penalty then He failed to pay the debt.

Blessings

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Do you understand what God required for the payment of sin. It was blood and Jesus shed His perfect sinless blood.
Jesus' human nature died physically and spiritually was separated from The Father, this seems to escape you.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

I have no issue with anything the all-holy and all just (right) God does.

I don't judge him. . .he judges me!

The justice of God is glorified in all punishment of disobedience to him.

The suffering of the divine Jesus (Lk 1:32, 35) on the cross is infinite--more than all human suffering for all time.
Being infinite, his suffering is complete satisfaction for all the sin of his people.

Ok Clare73 and thanks for participating …

blessings

 

[OnePlanPeopleDestiny]

Read Job ch. 33 to ch. 42. It should answer your questions. If not, read it again, and again ...

 

[Unqualified]

It’s the blood- shed for the sin of the world. If Jesus didn’t rise again we wouldnt know it’s true.

Jesus died once for all sin not an eternity in hell for each person. People who trust in Him are not going to hell. They don’t live a lifestyle of sin.

His image is not his name. His word says ever lasting punishment for the unrepentant sinner. If you don’t have the HS in you or aren’t bearing fruit you are cut off and burned. If you don’t believe or minister to the least of these or if you don’t have a relationship to Him then He never knew you.

Those are the image not God, like the image of the beast, not the beast.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

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Do you understand what God required for the payment of sin. It was blood and Jesus shed His perfect sinless blood.
Jesus' human nature died physically and spiritually was separated from The Father, this seems to escape you.

I’m sorry my friend but I’m probably just not good at articulating my position. You see, I agree that Jesus payed the penalty for our sin … perfectly! The incomprehensibly painful “death” (blood shed of spotless lamb) Jesus experienced, both physically and spiritually, was/is exactly what the Father required.

You say If man rejects the payment made on his behalf by the blood of Jesus, his sin debt is still paid. But it is the rejection of the Life giver that sends him to hell. Have I got that correct? If the blood (death) of the lamb covers the sin of mankind the debt is paid indeed. But by rejecting the Life Giver one is also choosing to reject the means by which life is obtained. I don’t think you can separate the two. Therefore, I can only conclude that the Life Jesus gives is only obtained through man through His death. If I choose death then I choose the death that the Son of God Experienced. Now that is one terrifying thought … I can’t begin to imagine what the total scope of that death is/was but it is not ECT in hell.

Perhaps we should move on … Could you comment on God condemning His image bearers, thus condemning His own Name? Just how does God get glory from condemning His own Name?

Blessings

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

Read Job ch. 33 to ch. 42. It should answer your questions. If not, read it again, and again ...

Thanks for your thoughtful contribution …

blessings

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

It’s the blood- shed for the sin of the world. If Jesus didn’t rise again we wouldnt know it’s true.

Jesus died once for all sin not an eternity in hell for each person. People who trust in Him are not going to hell. They don’t live a lifestyle of sin.

His image is not his name. His word says ever lasting punishment for the unrepentant sinner. If you don’t have the HS in you or aren’t bearing fruit you are cut off and burned. If you don’t believe or minister to the least of these or if you don’t have a relationship to Him then He never knew you.

Those are the image not God, like the image of the beast, not the beast.

I’m sorry but this reply is really all over the place and addresses very little of my questions. But I do thank you for at least taking the time to put in to words your thoughts.

blessings

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

Sorry gents but my rise & shine time of 3:30am is fast approaching and I need to hit the sack for the evening. Appreciate the overall participation and I’ll try to catch up tomorrow after work.

blessings