Times of the Gentiles

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Lord Jesus referenced the " Times of the Gentiles in Luke.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
So this implies a start time and a finish time to my understanding. Does it mean from the time Jerusalem is destroyed until the time Jerusalem is restored in the end times?

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

it seems to have a potential double meaning as the nation is now Israel and when they got Jerusalem back many thought the time of the Gentiles was over yet in the middle of the tribulation Jerusalem is indeed trampled under the foot of the Gentiles for 42 months. After that the scriptures have the after picture installed and Jesus ruling over all the earth on the throne of David and Israel is Jewish and born again.
Rev 11:2

“But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-twomonths.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Rev 11:2

“But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-twomonths.

So,there needs to be a temple for this prophecy to be fulfilled?

 

[DavidPT]

So,there needs to be a temple for this prophecy to be fulfilled?

It does not have to mean that it has to be a literal brick and mortar temple, though. That is not the only sense a temple can be understood in.

Once Christ died and resurrected, no one would be in a brick and mortar temple in Jerusalem worshiping, as if that would be something pleasing to God. And besides, if one takes it to be meaning a literal temple one has to take some of these other things in the literal sense as well---such as--But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles.

I wonder how many Gentiles this might involve? I wonder how big the court without the temple might be, assuming a literal brick and mortar temple? Since it is given to the Gentiles, does that mean millions of Gentiles could literally be hanging out in the court without the temple for 42 months? IOW, just try and picture some of these things in your mind, then ask yourself, does any of this make sense if a literal brick and mortar temple in Jerusalem is meant?

 

[PesachPup]

The old temple rites of the offering the blood of sacrificed bulls and goats never had as its purpose the "taking away of sins", so why do so many think that the building of another temple would have that [taking away sins] as its purpose ? Another temple will be built that will not negate the work of Christ.
Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[keras]

Once Christ died and resurrected, no one would be in a brick and mortar temple in Jerusalem worshiping, as if that would be something pleasing to God.

Paul made it clear that there will be a new Temple dedicated to God.
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Christians will build it and will worship God in it. Zechariah 1:16, Isaiah 56:1-8 All as described in Ezekiel 40 to 46

But; during the final 42 months of the age; before Jesus Returns, Satan will be allowed to stop the worship and will sit in the holy Place and declare himself to be God. Revelation 13:1-8, Daniel 9:27

 

[Bob_1000]

Lord Jesus referenced the " Times of the Gentiles in Luke.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
So this implies a start time and a finish time to my understanding. Does it mean from the time Jerusalem is destroyed until the time Jerusalem is restored in the end times?

The destruction of Jerusalem was the end of the times of the gentiles. God used gentile nations throughout the Old Testament to punish Israel for their disobedience. That ended in 70Ad with the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[jgr]

Lord Jesus referenced the " Times of the Gentiles in Luke.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
So this implies a start time and a finish time to my understanding. Does it mean from the time Jerusalem is destroyed until the time Jerusalem is restored in the end times?

The prevailing Gentiles of that era were the Romans.

They were God's instruments to accomplish His purposes of judgment and destruction against Israel in 70 AD.

Upon serving those purposes, their times were fulfilled, at that time.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

So,there needs to be a temple for this prophecy to be fulfilled?

Hi if you look at 2 Thes 2 the mani of sin is revealed in the temple. Jesus notes the abomination of desolation is future. It would seem that the man of sin in 2 Thes 2 is the same guy as the beast in Rev 13 and they both are described as being destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the LORD. So the 42 months the beast has dominion would line up with the abomination of desolation being in the middle of the week. I see it is Future and a 3rd temple and perhaps a 4th if Ezekiels temple is the millennial temple it is located in another spot.

 

[jgr]

So,there needs to be a temple for this prophecy to be fulfilled?

The temple already existed.
It was a "naos" spiritual temple.
The Church.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

But; during the final 42 months of the age; before Jesus Returns, Satan will be allowed to stop the worship and will sit in the holy Place and declare himself to be God. Revelation 13:1-8, Daniel 9:27

OK, so iow the times of the gentiles have not ended yet?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Hi if you look at 2 Thes 2 the mani of sin is revealed in the temple. Jesus notes the abomination of desolation is future. It would seem that the man of sin in 2 Thes 2 is the same guy as the beast in Rev 13 and they both are described as being destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the LORD. So the 42 months the beast has dominion would line up with the abomination of desolation being in the middle of the week. I see it is Future and a 3rd temple and perhaps a 4th if Ezekiels temple is the millennial temple it is located in another spot.

Yes I read that and Daniel speaks of the abomination of desolation. I see this as future also. But when is the end of the time of the gentiles?

 

[keras]

OK, so iow the times of the gentiles have not ended yet?

No, as Luke 21:24 says.
But Revelation 11:1-2 refers to a special time of just 42 months, when the Anti-Christ will conquer the Christian peoples, Zechariah 14:1-2, and take over control of the new Temple. Jesus will then Return, destroy his army and chain Satan up.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Hi if you look at 2 Thes 2 the mani of sin is revealed in the temple. Jesus notes the abomination of desolation is future. It would seem that the man of sin in 2 Thes 2 is the same guy as the beast in Rev 13 and they both are described as being destroyed by the brightness of the coming of the LORD. So the 42 months the beast has dominion would line up with the abomination of desolation being in the middle of the week. I see it is Future and a 3rd temple and perhaps a 4th if Ezekiels temple is the millennial temple it is located in another spot.

How exactly would a future physical temple building qualify to be something Paul would call "the temple of God"?

Also, if Ezekiel's temple was built in the future then that would mean animal sacrifices would be reinstated which would contradict Hebrews 8-10 which teaches that the animal sacrifices only had the purpose of foreshadowing Christ's sacrifice and that Christ's sacrifice was the final sacrifice "once for all".

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

How exactly would a future physical temple building qualify to be something Paul would call "the temple of God"?

Also, if Ezekiel's temple was built in the future then that would mean animal sacrifices would be reinstated which would contradict Hebrews 8-10 which teaches that the animal sacrifices only had the purpose of foreshadowing Christ's sacrifice and that Christ's sacrifice was the final sacrifice "once for all".

You are forgetting that even today, the Jews have never accepted the sacrifice of Lord Jesus Christ. They will continue their traditional method of sacrifice under the Mosaic covenant.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You are forgetting that even today, the Jews have never accepted the sacrifice of Lord Jesus Christ.

It seems that you are the one who is forgetting something. On the day of Pentecost long ago, 3,000 Jews accepted the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 2:41). And some have accepted Him ever since. Why do you act as if none of them ever have?

They will continue their traditional method of sacrifice under the Mosaic covenant.

That means nothing. How could a physical temple built by non-Christian Jews, where they would perform meaningless sacrifices, be something that Paul would call "the temple of God"?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

It seems that you are the one who is forgetting something. On the day of Pentecost long ago, 3,000 Jews accepted the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 2:41). And some have accepted Him ever since. Why do you act as if none of them ever have?

I have not forgotten that. They were the first Christians. But the majority did not accept Jesus. Have you not read that? Some HAVE accepted Jesus, but most have not. Even now they are making plans to build the third temple.

That means nothing. How could a physical temple built by non-Christian Jews, where they would perform meaningless sacrifices, be something that Paul would call "the temple of God"?

The temple will be built by the Jews. It will be called the temple of God. It will fulfill prophecy.

 

[jgr]

You are forgetting that even today, the Jews have never accepted the sacrifice of Lord Jesus Christ. They will continue their traditional method of sacrifice under the Mosaic covenant.

There has been no "Mosaic covenant" in Jewry for thousands of years. It was long ago replaced and superseded by babylonian talmudism, a collection of pharisaic traditions which Jesus condemned in Mark 7:13. It is permeated with racism, superstition, perversion, kabbalism, and occultism.

Read about it here.

Its sacrifices have ever been, and will ever be, abominations in the sight of God.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

There has been no "Mosaic covenant" in Jewry for thousands of years. It was long ago replaced and superseded by babylonian talmudism, a collection of pharisaic traditions which Jesus condemned in Mark 7:13. It is permeated with racism, superstition, perversion, kabbalism, and occultism.

Read about it here.

Its sacrifices have ever been, and will ever be, abominations in the sight of God.

Yet it was practiced at the birth of Lord Jesus and it continued until the temple destruction by the Romans. The Jews will rebuild the temple and start the animal sacrifices again.So they have perverted the Mosaic Covenant.

 

[Douggg]

Lord Jesus referenced the " Times of the Gentiles in Luke.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
So this implies a start time and a finish time to my understanding. Does it mean from the time Jerusalem is destroyed until the time Jerusalem is restored in the end times?

Yes, as far as Jerusalem being back in the hand of the Jews, having returned (in large part) back to the land of Israel.