Timelapse of the sun proves flat earth

[Rick Otto]

It would be wildly wrong for the Southern Hemisphere.

In your worldview, yes. We get that already.

 

[Rick Otto]

I understand the blow back that is observed here. What I cannot understand is the amount of people that simply state that this is stupid, and give no support for their arguments. They simply chirp and insult as if they own truth and anyone that disagrees is ignorant.

This is, unfortunately, the way people respond when they have not investigated the topic and are fully entrenched and believe the teaching of academia.

Not that I think everything that we are taught is wrong.. just that there are things that I believe are taught as absolute fact when they are not.

I think we have lost that encouragement to "Test" all things. We take what is told to us as fact and truth.. even if it doesn't match that which we observe.

Much of what we are told to be true.. must be taken as it is taught by the very fact that we have no way to prove different.

This leaves a very large window of opportunity for academia to present dogma that is essentially unfounded.. but everyone takes it as gospel.

There are those here, who do present good questions and provide reasoning and basis for their questions.

I have tried to bring that problem up with staff, about people coming to this forum with the sole intention of mockery and insult. It was more obvious a year ago before so many pro- topic posters showed up.
Anti-conspiracy theory posters should get some manners or their own forum.
I would appreciate it if anyone would join me in this effort. Anti-theory posters seem to get a pass on mockery and insult here, and that fact is denied by at least one person responsible for managing it.

 

[A_Thinker]

I've heard that too, and I would like to believe it as well, but I have no way of proving it, only hearsay and evidence that could be faked no matter how implausibly.

Actually, you do have ways of determining that truth ... you are, simply, choosing not to exert the time, effort and expense to make that sure determination.

We all do the same thing. There are things that we all could do to determine certain truths, but we CHOOSE what we are willing to do to make that determination.

So, in the main, ... we choose WHO we are willing to believe, ... hopefully, leaving ourselves open to change our views should we receive adequate information that warrants it.

What we must be cautious of ... is being so dogmatic in our beliefs, ... that truth is effectively shut out ...

 

[A_Thinker]

I would appreciate it if anyone would join me in this effort. Anti-theory posters seem to get a pass on mockery and insult here, and that fact is denied by at least one person responsible for managing it.

The fact is that there is such behavior on BOTH sides of the issue.

 

[Rick Otto]

Actually, you do have ways of determining that truth ... you are, simply, choosing not to exert the time, effort and expense to make that sure determination.

We all do the same thing. There are things that we all could do to determine certain truths, but we CHOOSE what we are willing to do to make that determination.

So, in the main, ... we choose WHO we are willing to believe, ... hopefully, leaving ourselves open to change our views should we receive adequate information that warrants it.

What we must be cautious of ... is being so dogmatic in our beliefs, ... that truth is effectively shut out ...

What ways do I have?

 

[Kaon]

I have tried to bring that problem up with staff, about people coming to this forum with the sole intention of mockery and insult. It was more obvious a year ago before so many pro- topic posters showed up.
Anti-conspiracy theory posters should get some manners or their own forum.
I would appreciate it if anyone would join me in this effort. Anti-theory posters seem to get a pass on mockery and insult here, and that fact is denied by at least one person responsible for managing it.

It is futility. Christians alone wont generate the same traffic as a mixed set of visitors and posters. The clash between denominations alone is enough to keep a thread going for 20 pages; insert an equal number of non-denominational or non-believing entities and you can exponentiate your traffic.


This is the same model other blogs and forums use - market to a polarized demographic, and then exploit those inherent differences using targeted algorithms, ads, members and features.

 

[A_Thinker]

What ways do I have?

What have you done ... ???

 

[A_Thinker]

So, in the main, ... we choose WHO we are willing to believe, ... hopefully, leaving ourselves open to change our views should we receive adequate information that warrants it.

It appears that Flat Earth promoter Eric Dubay is a Holocaust Denier.

Why the Holocaust Denial?

I wonder if Flat Earth enthusiasts understand that Dubay is the source for most of their arguments for Flat Earth and against the Globe Earth ?

Some of these are ...

"The horizon appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around ... "
"The horizon always rises to one's eye-level."
"Water always finds its level."
"Surveyors, engineers, and architects do not take curve into account."
"Planes would need to constantly dip their noses on a Globe Earth."

Dubay also references Airy's Failure, the Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments, and his incredulity regarding the ability of gravity to hold the oceans to a globe, while simultaneously allowing for bird and butterfly flight.

Just about every Flat Earth argument can find it's origin in Eric Dubay's "200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball"

The PDF can be downloaded at the link below ...

http://www.freepdf.info/index.php?post/Eric-Dubay-200-proofs-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball

 

[Rick Otto]

It is futility. Christians alone wont generate the same traffic as a mixed set of visitors and posters. The clash between denominations alone is enough to keep a thread going for 20 pages; insert an equal number of non-denominational or non-believing entities and you can exponentiate your traffic.


This is the same model other blogs and forums use - market to a polarized demographic, and then exploit those inherent differences using targeted algorithms, ads, members and features.

LOL! Yes! Well put.
Futility is an exercise option that helps get me off my pew.
I bought a 6ft pen from an antique store. Now I can say I occupy a pew every day.
When I acquired chickens it allowed me to say I sit in a pew with a couple of chicks on my lap, lol.
Yes, I confess to exploiting polarization as well. Beginning in myself (diagnosed schizophrenic @ 15)
But only for entertainment, which for me involves a focus on truth with a wide peripheral view included.

I've been thinking about your manifold. The only thing that hits me right off is that it needs to be attached to something.
So, i am picturing the manifold being energetic so that it fits neatly in the place of where an accretion disc could form in my favorite torus form.

Whattaya think? Roadkill?

 

[Kaon]

I've been thinking about your manifold. The only thing that hits me right off is that it needs to be attached to something.
So, i am picturing the manifold being energetic so that it fits neatly in the place of where an accretion disc could form in my favorite torus form.

Whattaya think? Roadkill?

The manifold is attached to an electromagnetic geodesic dome. The "spheres", for example, are the field action of the boundary conditions.

In QTFT, everything can be imagined as an infinitesimal field in a particular direction. What we call "matter and energy" are frequency excitations in the field of a given metric. You can generate a space that would provide a "constant" excitation (rest mass). You can also create dynamic frequencies whose changes represent an evolution in what we call "energy or mass" - namely, a fundamental particle.

The manifold - which looks like a bunch of hills and valleys in a particular plane - creates the excitation field we call the boundary of space (and everything under it). Space between terra firma surface, and the alleged boundary of space is full of field excitation from outside and within the boundary.

 

[Steve Petersen]

I wonder how flerfers explain the retrograde motion of the planets?

 

[Tanj]

I wonder how flerfers explain the retrograde motion of the planets?

Meh, Try getting them to explain why starts in the northern hemisphere rotate counter clockwise about a central point whereas in the southern hemisphere they rotate clockwise. Not to mention why some starts are only ever visible in one hemisphere.

 

[Rick Otto]

I wonder how flerfers explain the retrograde motion of the planets?

It's not a monolithic movement.
Some picture three domes.
Bible calls them wandering stars.
Use your imagination.

 

[Rick Otto]

The manifold is attached to an electromagnetic geodesic dome. The "spheres", for example, are the field action of the boundary conditions.

In QTFT, everything can be imagined as an infinitesimal field in a particular direction. What we call "matter and energy" are frequency excitations in the field of a given metric. You can generate a space that would provide a "constant" excitation (rest mass). You can also create dynamic frequencies whose changes represent an evolution in what we call "energy or mass" - namely, a fundamental particle.

The manifold - which looks like a bunch of hills and valleys in a particular plane - creates the excitation field we call the boundary of space (and everything under it). Space between terra firma surface, and the alleged boundary of space is full of field excitation from outside and within the boundary.

I will reflect on that, thanks.

 

[Kaon]

It's not a monolithic movement.
Some picture three domes.
Bible calls them wandering stars.
Use your imagination.

The very word "planetes" is Greek for "wanderer" - implying the rest of the cosmos is fixed.

 

[Aldebaran]

It's not a monolithic movement.
Some picture three domes.
Bible calls them wandering stars.
Use your imagination.

Imaginations run wild.
Why not use scientific facts and reality? That would be the place to start if you're honestly trying to discover what the truth is. Your imagination certainly won't get you there.

 

[Steve Petersen]

It's not a monolithic movement.
Some picture three domes.
Bible calls them wandering stars.
Use your imagination.

I see; transparent domes. See, I can imagine anything, like ponies that fart rainbows.

 

[Radagast]

In your worldview, yes. We get that already.

No, I'm talking about what I see out of my window. Australia's southernmost city gets 15 hours of daylight in summer. The Antarctic base gets 24. These are facts.

So when you show me cute little flat earth animations where Australia gets less than 12 hours of daylight in summer, i'm going to call it wildly wrong.

 

[Radagast]

Meh, Try getting them to explain why starts in the northern hemisphere rotate counter clockwise about a central point whereas in the southern hemisphere they rotate clockwise. Not to mention why some starts are only ever visible in one hemisphere.

I'm not sure they even believe that Australia exists.

 

[Rick Otto]

The entire Flat

No, I'm talking about what I see out of my window. Australia's southernmost city gets 15 hours of daylight in summer. The Antarctic base gets 24. These are facts.

So when you show me cute little flat earth animations where Australia gets less than 12 hours of daylight in summer, i'm going to call it wildly wrong.

The Flat Earth community will be destabilized.
Modeling is overrated.
Sure you won't reconsider?