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Time Magazine Applauds "elite cabal" election conspiracy as "a good thing"

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by BobRyan, Feb 7, 2021.

  1. BobRyan

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    So you just quoted the NY Times article and said "I wanted it" -- is it your understanding that I am praising the methods of the so-called cabal as reported in the NY Times article?? You think I am applauding the work of the cabal??
     
  2. The Barbarian

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    You just gave us an example showing that assumption is untrue.

    If there had been such a cabal, your example wouldn't exist.

    I notice you included an example of an independent news source that doesn't fit the sort of thing you see in NY Times. You pretty much undermined your own argument.
     
  3. BobRyan

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    “It should be borne in mind that the first step taken by any potential authoritarian or dictatorial regime is to gain control of communications, particularly the delivery of news,” Silberman added, saying “it is fair to conclude, therefore, that one-party control of the press and media is a threat to a viable democracy.
    from: Federal Judge Accuses New York Times, Washington Post of 'Shocking' Bias Against Republicans
     
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  4. The Barbarian

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    It's why Trump failed. He repeatedly attacked news organizations, in an attempt to cow them into submission. He even declared reporters and news sources as "enemies of the people" which is a common ploy used by would-be dictators.

    The press remained uncontrolled by Trump and the extreme right, and this ultimately brought them down. And they learned from that.

    In the future, their first attacks will be on the free press. And they'll try a lot harder to destroy freedom of information next go round.
     
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  5. BobRyan

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    Could be a big contributing factor.
     
  6. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    It's why Trump failed. He repeatedly attacked news organizations, in an attempt to cow them into submission. He even declared reporters and news sources as "enemies of the people" which is a common ploy used by would-be dictators.

    The press remained uncontrolled by Trump and the extreme right, and this ultimately brought them down. And they learned from that.

    No "maybe" about it.
     
  7. BobRyan

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    BobRyan said:
    “It should be borne in mind that the first step taken by any potential authoritarian or dictatorial regime is to gain control of communications, particularly the delivery of news,” Silberman added, saying “it is fair to conclude, therefore, that one-party control of the press and media is a threat to a viable democracy.
    from: Federal Judge Accuses New York Times, Washington Post of 'Shocking' Bias Against Republicans

    Which was one of the key features of the so called "secret cabal" that the NY Times reported on regarding the 2020 elections (as noted in the OP)

    Notice the detail in that article I just quoted
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    "The judge said the Supreme Court should overturn New York Times v. Sullivan, the 1964 case holding that when the media discusses public figures, the outlet should be liable under state defamation laws only if the plaintiffs can prove “actual malice,” which the Court defined as the speaker either knowing the statement was false or making it in “reckless disregard for the truth.”

    “The First Amendment guarantees a free press to foster a vibrant trade in ideas. But a biased press can distort the marketplace,” Silberman concluded. “And when the media has proven its willingness—if not eagerness—to so distort, it is a profound mistake to stand by unjustified legal rules that serve only to enhance the press’ power.”

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    When confronted with that level of "abuse" exercised by the media - the one who says "then obey the media and they won't do that to you" is like the Police in Minneapolis saying "prepare to be robbed" and "obey the criminals"

    Minneapolis police say to obey criminals and 'be prepared' to be robbed

    That is a criminal-organization style of American politics I would just as soon not promote.
     
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  8. The Barbarian

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    Yes, police often tell people that when they are faced with an armed robber, they should not resist them. Never heard of a police department that advised citizens to fight back against an armed robber. Probably for liability reasons, as resisting an armed robber is likely to leave one dead.

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    Minneapolis police advised residents to submit to robbers after the city defunded the police department.

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    What's True
    Minneapolis police did initially advise residents in writing not to fight back in the event they are the victim of a robbery, although police later amended the advice, taking out the language about fighting back.


    What's False
    This advice was not given as the result of the city defunding the police department, as the police force is still operating. Also, the City Council voted to amend the city charter to replace the current police department. But the question must first be put to voters before it could go into effect.
     
  9. The Barbarian

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    It's why Trump failed. He repeatedly attacked news organizations, in an attempt to cow them into submission. He even declared reporters and news sources as "enemies of the people" which is a common ploy used by would-be dictators.

    The press remained uncontrolled by Trump and the extreme right, and this ultimately brought them down. And they learned from that.
     
  10. BobRyan

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    June 26 - moves to defund police in Minneapolis
    Minneapolis Council Moves To Defund Police, Establish 'Holistic' Public Safety Force

    July 21
    Nearly 200 officers are quitting Minneapolis police department

    August 1 - Minneapolis residents sent email from Police Chief "prepare to be robbed" and "obey the criminals"


    Nearly 200 officers are quitting Minneapolis police department

    Never heard of Police promising to "fail" ahead of time either. Sounds like the actions of a Police department demoralized, under attack by city council and suffering the loss of hundreds in attrition.

    And not simply "here is a tip if you just so happen run across a mugger"
     
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  11. cow451

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    I was beginning to wonder whether anyone posted had both actually read the article and also had English as a first language.
     
  12. cow451

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    Ahhhh...... someone else read the article with comprehension!
     
  13. cow451

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    Read my signature.
     
  14. BobRyan

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    Where their so-called "secret cabal" working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."


    "Wrong" if "they" do it.


    "Right" when "WE" do it.
    Well at least it is one of them
     
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  15. The Barbarian

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    It's why Trump failed. He repeatedly attacked news organizations, in an attempt to cow them into submission. He even declared reporters and news sources as "enemies of the people" which is a common ploy used by would-be dictators.

    The press remained uncontrolled by Trump and the extreme right, and this ultimately brought them down. And they learned from that. This the reason that they failed in their attempt to destroy our democracy.

     
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